Help Grazie spend his dosh!

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Chief24 wrote on 5/29/2019, 11:37 AM

I think you have chosen well, for the components. We, anyone in the forum by that term, may wonder on some of the choices, and have both pros/cons on those components. But in the end, YOU are buying them, and either building/having it built with YOUR money. So what we say about it, your build, should not be a deciding factor. The only one to worry about it is YOU, and does it do what YOU need it to do!

The arguments about AMD vs. Intel or nVidia vs. AMD is moot if the new rig works to YOUR satisfaction. There will always be something we could have, should have, done this, done that, etc.

I've got two rigs: one in my signature, similar to BruceUSA - I got a Radeon VII in it. Second rig is "Re-furbished" X99 platform with i7-6800K, 32GB ram, RTX 2070, and only using Magix Movie Studio Platinum 16 Suite (though not all of the NewBlue FX stuff!) - no DaVinci Resolve free (11,12.5, 14, 15, 16 - none), no HitFilm add-ons, no BorisFX, etc. - just trying to use the package as is. You know what - working great for that.

As in a lot of the discussions throughout the forum about what hardware and/or software, it still comes down to the person "Telling the Story". If that story sucks, everyone involved gets blamed except the hardware/software. If the story is great, the hardware/software never gets credit.

I look at things this way, especially since I am not out for the "Almighty Speed" for everything. Every year at different times, I continue to return to the "boob-tube" to watch various movies. Why? Not because I am trying to figure out which NLE, or what processor, graphics card was used, but to enjoy the movie with some Popcorn, and get drawn into that magical story the movie entices me back into. Do I care what NLE or graphics card was used for the movie "It's A Wonderful Life"? Hell no! It's just a fantastic movie (yeah, I cry every time I watch it too!). Sergio Leone Italian Western movie Trilogy with Clint Eastwood? Oh yeah! CPU or NLE - couldn't care less.

I say, enjoy your new "Story Telling" output rig, and create some great "Story Telling"!

Self Build: MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC/1950X @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB; (3) Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (LightRoom & Photoshop), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Vizio D43-F1 3840x2160 (TV); Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 15 Suite (157); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 11:50 AM

Nice setup - but that PSU seems low wattage for the rest of the specs... .....so maybe you might want to consider upping it to a 750-1000W PSU - it'll give you some scope for upgrading GPUs (or running multiple GPUs) at a later date.

@jrb101 - Oh yes indeed. I was waiting to hear from you guys who’d have had experience with all those non-spinning drives and if the accumulation of processioning devices would make draw>>>heat variables.

All said though, the 650W will power it, so you can get away with that!

@jrb101 - Sure. The chap who’s getting the quotes together, he’s up to number FIVE! I don’t know if he’s aware just how much brilliant support I’m getting from you all. I believe he’s concentrating on the software I’m wanting to utilise. The actual muscle power that Vegas needs for my plugs I’m relying on you chapsters - Thank you all , again.

Grazie wrote on 5/29/2019, 11:57 AM

@Chief24 - Wise Counsel indeed. My storytelling gets better when Preview is lickety-Split using my Plugs. I’m using MOCHA Pro19 and other requiring CUDA Cores. I’m just soooo behind the curve with my present box, and it’s getting harder and harder to get a view into my visions. The Box is just how too slow. Thanks for the kind words @Chief24, thank you.

TheRhino wrote on 5/29/2019, 12:32 PM

Everything here is a good/practical choice, except the PSU, especially since you are having someone else put it together and (I assume) provide some type of warranty/support.  My notes:

1] 650W Corsair RMx Fully Modular RM650X ATX PSU/Power Supply

I would probably choose a 750W - 850W RMx which won't add much to the cost...

2] Corsair Hydro Series H100x 240mm Radiator, Dual 120mm PWM Fans, Liquid CPU Coo

I prefer the 3-fan Corsair H150i with 360mm radiator, but your case has to have room for it...  I can set my 3 fans to low speeds which makes my system silent for sound work...

3] Intel Core i9 9820X s2066, 16.5 MB CACHE, 10Core/20Thread, 4.1GHz

Solid Intel workstation choice without overspending.  Fairly affordable, entry-level i9 CPU provides 9900X render speeds in Vegas (my system) but with 68 PCIe lanes, 44 coming directly from the CPU.  Hopefully you can drop-in a i9-7980XE in a few years for a very reasonable price which could nearly double your render speeds without tearing-apart your system...  That's what I did when I replaced my 4-core I7s with 6-core Xeons a few years back and it saved me from having to upgrade everything else until this year...

4] Samsung 860 PRO 512GB 2.5” SATA SSD/Solid State Drive

5] Corsair 64GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz RAM/Memory Kit 4x 16GB

6] ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB TURBO EVO Turing Graphics Card

I prefer the AMD Vega 64 for Vegas, but other apps perform better with Nvidia...  I don't think the TI version provides enough speed boost in Vegas to justify the significant cost difference, so the 2070 remains a solid choice without overspending...

So ya, everything looks pretty good but I would go with a 750W - 850W PS to give yourself some wiggle-room in the future.  When you get your system, make sure you run some of the benchmarks on these forums so we have some comparisons of what the newer components can do together.  Thanks!

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

fifonik wrote on 5/29/2019, 6:21 PM

@Grazie Only 512GB SSD and no any HDDs for storage? And why SATA, but not M.2 NVMe? I'd choose Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe M.2 instead (or 970 PRO NVMe M.2 that would be even faster). Also, I do remember you wanted to have DVD/BD.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Grazie wrote on 5/30/2019, 12:23 AM

@fifonik - Firstly, thank you. Along with our chums here, you’ve added detail that I could never have thought of.

@Grazie Only 512GB SSD and no any HDDs for storage?

Ah, I had this exact same conversation with the Agent. The box will have TEN bays and I’m negotiating prices for HDs with him.

And why SATA, but not M.2 NVMe?

And this detail is exactly what I needed to know. I shall add this to my comms with him.

I'd choose Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe M.2 instead (or 970 PRO NVMe M.2 that would be even faster).

The budget is starting to squeak. I’ll see what balance can be.

Also, I do remember you wanted to have DVD/BD.

Yup, I realised this. Up to now, with all the feedback I’m getting, I have wanted to get that crucial MoBo, CPU, GPU and RAM nailed first. I may rip the one from the present machine, but I’ll ask.

@fifonik - I’m getting pretty close to fixing The Beast!

fifonik wrote on 5/30/2019, 1:32 AM

> The budget is starting to squeak.

The price for the Evo SDD would not be much higher (if higher at all) that on that PRO SSD. But it is newer and much faster.

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Grazie wrote on 5/30/2019, 3:27 AM

@fifonik - Thanks for the reassurance and I WILL stress the point to the Agent too.

Again, you guys are the best, wanting the best for me and my VegasPro Journey.

bitman wrote on 5/30/2019, 4:18 AM

@Grazie just a point in warning, only the new 9.. "K" series offer hardwire protection against the specter and meltdown virus bug fix and better security for future "similar" bugs. This means i9900K has the protection and your proposed 9820X does not. This means in practice that sw solutions in Windows and/or bios micro code must take care for this which slows down your processor a bit in case of 9820X.

There are some experts that claim Intel is shooting in their own foot with the new i9900K (or simular) processors competing with their own "professional" X series with lower price, better performance and newer HW architecture (coffee lake vs skylake x).

You could argue that the X series has more PCI-lanes avoiding bottlenecks, but as I said before, there is a big difference between theoretical and practical bottlenecks, I recently did an experiment to see if I was NVMe SSD bottlenecked by PCI lanes (as my NVMe SSD is behind the chipset), so I created a RAM disk of a few GB (I have 64 GB, so plenty spare) and put a Vegas project and all the source clips onto that RAM disk, and see if my rendering speed or editing improved, as the memory is not going through the CPU-Chipset DMI (4 PCI lanes) bottleneck. But I did not see any difference.

You could save some money getting the brand new i9900KF processor (yes KF), this one does not have internal graphics, but is equal to i9900K in al the rest. Some early reports claim it has better overclock potential and produces less heat, which could make sense as it has less HW to heat up. You probably loose QSV though.

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Current system: VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019,...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

TheRhino wrote on 5/30/2019, 12:36 PM

@Grazie you can always add your own SATA drives later when you can find a good deal on them and/or using existing ones to get you started. For instance, for my internal RAID10 I found the 8TB WD RED at Best Buy for <$150 USD (also available online) just by removing them from the external EasyStore USB cases... Had I bought RED drives from a builder, I would have paid over $300 each... And yes, M.2 on the motherboard is faster for OS than a SSD connected to SATA. Plus, it's more difficult for a non-builder to install and setup a M.2 drives because it often requires removing the PCIe cards to access them, etc.

@bitman I chose the 9900K because, overclocked to 4.8-5.0ghz, it offers best bang/buck in its class. NLE folks should get the K version, not KF, because the internal QSV significantly boosts renders when QSV is a choice. The NEW 9900KS has QSV AND runs at 5.0 ghz stock!

However, my 9900K setup is a little complex & likely not something you can order from a system builder the way set it up... I connect (2) 4K monitors to my VEGA64 & (1) 1080p monitor to the internal GPU/motherboard to get blazing-fast QSV renders - Red Car test = 14s average... HOWEVER, NLE folks only have ONE ideal Z390 motherboard option that has a PLX chip to share & distribute the limited PCIe bandwidth while still overclocking well, the Asus Z390 WS. Enabling both onboard M.2 disables (4) SATA, so I have my internal BR burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters. I also attached a 3rd M.2 via adapter to (1) U.2 connection & a 4th M.2 is connected via PCIe adapter. Because I wanted to have (2) 4TB RAID0 built from (4) 2TB M.2, I have my OS on a SSD drive connected to SATA. Currently the M.2 RAIDs are my SOURCE video drives & projects are rendered to a hardware PCIe card with SATA RAID10, which is fast-enough to keep-up with (2) background projects batch-rending at once...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

Grazie wrote on 5/30/2019, 11:12 PM

@Grazie you can always add your own SATA drives later when you can find a good deal on them and/or using existing ones to get you started. For instance, for my internal RAID10 I found the 8TB WD RED at Best Buy for <$150 USD (also available online) just by removing them from the external EasyStore USB cases...

@TheRhino - Yes, I’m planning to get the SATA drives. The Agent is open to negotiation. However, @TheRhino, I’m intrigued in your re-engineering of the EasyStore USB thingy? Please explain?

TheRhino wrote on 5/31/2019, 4:42 AM

@TheRhino - Yes, I’m planning to get the SATA drives. The Agent is open to negotiation. However, @TheRhino, I’m intrigued in your re-engineering of the EasyStore USB thingy? Please explain?

My SOURCE 4K video is on fast M.2 drives in RAID0 which seems to help with multicam 4K. The TARGET drive only has to be as fast as Vegas can render. Size matters because I also use the TARGET (& NAS) to store entire projects once they are removed from the smaller M.2 to make room for new work...

Last year Western Digital was using RED drives inside their 8TB EasyStore USB cases. Not the fastest, but they are very reliable for my NAS storage & my internal RAID10. (4 = 325+ MB/s & 6= 500 MB/s) Youtube videos demonstrate how to "shuck" the internal SATA drive from the case. I placed them in hotswap trays & used their USB cases to hold retired 2TB SATA drives that now serve as offsite backup.

I paid <$150 USD each and now at Best Buy, BHPhotoVideo, etc. the 8TB go on sale for $130 & the 10TB for $160 as noted here:
https://slickdeals.net/f/13079461-wd-easystore-external-usb-3-0-hard-drives-10tb-160-or-8tb-130-free-s-h

The new ones have white labels with same performance specs BUT may require a physical change to one of the power pins to be recognized by internal SATA controllers. The few WHITE drives I have are in hotswap trays, so they are instantly recognized by the RAID controller without requiring pin modifications...

 

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 6:32 AM

@TheRhino - Thank you.

OK, VP-ites, how's this one looking? Is this a good balance to reduce bottle necks?

  1. ASUS TUF X299 MARK 2 Motherboard
  2. 16GB Kingston USB3 Pendrive for Windows Recovery Media
  3. Samsung 860 PRO 256GB 2.5” SATA SSD/Solid State Drive
  4. Corsair Hydro Series H100x 240mm Radiator, Dual 120mm PWM Fans, Liquid CPU Coo
  5. Intel Core i9 9820X s2066, 16.5 MB CACHE, 10Core/20Thread, 4.1GHz 1
  6. Corsair 64GB Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666MHz RAM/Memory Kit 4x 16GB
  7. ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 8GB TURBO EVO Turing Graphics Card
  8. Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 PCIe High Performance NVMe SSD/Solid State Drive
  9. Corsair 1000 Watt RMx Fully Modular RM1000X ATX PSU/Power Supply

No spinning discs yet nor DVD/BU, but the 1,000watt PSU is in plus the 1TB M.2 PCIe.

Dexcon wrote on 5/31/2019, 6:57 AM

@Grazie ... re point 3 (Samsung 860 Pro) - is this going to be the C drive?

If it is, perhaps consider a 512GB or 1TB instead. My years old computer had a 256GB SSD, but it filled up over the years to near the point of capacity (OS and programmes only - no project/media files etc). Earlier this year, I upgraded to a 1TB Samsung 840 Pro SSD - there wasn't a huge price difference between 512GB and 1TB, so I went for the bigger capacity SSD.

I just suggest this as 256GB these days might be a limiting from a future-proofing POV.

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 7:42 AM

@Dexcon - Notwithstanding your suggestion to up the System Drive to 1TB - makes sense! - how are the other components looking as "fitting" together and not creating VP Bottlenecks or Pinch points?

Dexcon wrote on 5/31/2019, 8:12 AM

@Grazie ... it saddens me to say (write) that my expertise on building computers is rather limited, thus it would be remiss of me to comment on components that I have little or no knowledge about. But, from a more positive point of view, your research on your build will no doubt create an impressive machine. Tout le meilleur mon ami.

TheRhino wrote on 5/31/2019, 8:45 AM

The ONLY reason I have been contributing lately is that I just did all the research for my new build. In between build years I lose track of hardware improvements...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

OldSmoke wrote on 5/31/2019, 8:54 AM

@Grazie Why 64GB? I find 32GB are more then enough, even with a couple of veggies open.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 9:13 AM

@Grazie Why 64GB? I find 32GB are more then enough, even with a couple of veggies open.

@OldSmoke - They, the ProVideo personnel at the company, have been chatting together and, as result of their conversations, I believe the Builder has had a cunning plan for me that will be revealed ASAP....

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 9:17 AM

The ONLY reason I have been contributing lately is that I just did all the research for my new build. In between build years I lose track of hardware improvements...

@TheRhino - I’m in awe of your knowledge and grateful you’re willing to share it with me. Now, if you ever want a recipe for a Ceramic Stoneware (+1250c) glaze I’d be happy to pass on to you my tried and tested formulations. 😉

Chief24 wrote on 5/31/2019, 9:20 AM

Great choices! And, yes, the larger SSD to 512 GB or 1 TB, as noted by Dexcon.

It will be interesting to see what this "cunning plan" is to be revealed???????

Now, I bet you are trying to devise a "cunning plan" of your own to get the Forum members to pay for this? Heh, Heh! 😁

Self Build: MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC/1950X @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB; (3) Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (LightRoom & Photoshop), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Vizio D43-F1 3840x2160 (TV); Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 15 Suite (157); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 10:25 AM

Great choices! And, yes, the larger SSD to 512 GB or 1 TB, as noted by Dexcon.

@Chief24 - Thanks for the reassurances.

It will be interesting to see what this "cunning plan" is to be revealed???????

One Word, “Baldrick”....

Now, I bet you are trying to devise a "cunning plan" of your own to get the Forum members to pay for this? Heh, Heh! 😁

@Chief24 - You're laughing?! I ain’t........ Nah, you’ve given me more than money.

 

Grazie wrote on 5/31/2019, 11:55 AM

Update...Update . .

System drive is going from 0.250 Tb to 0.5Tb - not the full 1.0 Tb. The price would've taken a BIG bite from the internal drive budget.

4 x 2Tb Storage SATAs

External DVD/BU

And the cunning Plan? I got deals on HDs and the System drive. PLUS their ProVideo Team expressed that this box will be zip-fast with both balanced throughput and at a price that was unimaginable even last year.

TheRhino wrote on 6/1/2019, 1:18 PM

@Grazie To answer your question on the other forum...,

The i9 9820X w/10 cores @ 4.1ghz costs more for about the same performance as the cheaper 9900K on other benchmarks - but I could not find any Vegas benchmarks comparing it to a 9900K... The big difference is that your 2066 motherboard will take a faster CPU when their costs drop. Therefore, like my old X58 motherboards, you can eventually drop-in a faster CPU without having to replace everything else...

I've had my X58 workstations for 9+ years! (Moore's Law is dead - CPU improvements after the 6-core i7-980X were abysmal until last year...) When the 4.0ghz 6-core 980X was released for $1000, it only took about an hour to install with a new Noctua CPU fan and I immediately doubled my render speeds without having to replace anything else or reinstall my operating system. I was super-swamped with editing full-time then, so that was a big break! A couple years later 6-core Xeon 5660's were on eBay for $75 & I updated the other two workstations to 6-cores @ 4.0ghz. Again, very little loss of production & just big gains in render speeds... Sometimes it can take 2-3 days to fully setup a new PC & make sure all of my drivers, apps & settings are like I want them...

However, the big issue then & now is how much other tech advances besides the drop-in CPU... My old X58 motherboards only had PCIe 2.0 when many new devices benefited from PCIe 3.0. I also only had SATA 2 when SATA 3 became the standard for faster SSDs, etc. However, during that time I stopped editing full-time and have to watch my budget more closely now. My $1350 budget on this workstations means I can still consider upgrading one of the other workstations later this year... PCIe 4.0 is almost here... I did not want to blow too much on a PCIe 3.0 setup... I'd rather have 2-3 very fast systems vs. one elite system that runs a mere 10% faster, etc... I can make (2) do more than that (1) all-day, all-week, all-year!

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Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.