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Grazie wrote on 6/1/2019, 1:37 PM

@TheRhino - You are too kind in taking the time to explain. I spoke with the Agent concerning near future upgrades. So from what you say this could be his cunning plan for me.

Again, thank you 🙏

TheRhino wrote on 6/1/2019, 1:55 PM

@Grazie You are welcome! If I were building a system for someone else or for my school, I would encourage them to choose something closer to what you are getting vs. my 9900K. Your system should be fast & reliable without having to keep tweaking anything. Builders do not want a system that requires a lot of post-sales support... They want it to work & for you to be happy... The way I have my 9900K setup is more tedious to build & maintain. I literally had to connect my internal Bluray burners to external USB 3.0 connections by running internal USB cables out the back side of the case to the rear USB 3.0 connectors (neatly) because there were not enough internal SATA connectors for them... This is not how a professional would build a system for someone else... What if he/she accidently unplugs the external cable? Now you have to go fix it & explain why the cable is run that way... But for a DIY build on a budget, in a 9-year-old ATX case, I like the speeds I am getting.

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

fifonik wrote on 6/1/2019, 8:19 PM

About size of system drive:

I have not reinstalled OS for years (W7 => W10, then cloned HDD => SSD => SSD). So my OS is polluted with some dlls and other not needed stuff.

As I'm programmer, I have installed a few versions of Visual Studio and other programming related tools. Video editing programs are babies when comparing size with programming tools (for example, in VS I have a few images of different OS installed that allow me to dev for different W10 versions). In addition, I'm playing games from time to time and have section on the system drive where I'm putting game that I currently play for faster loading (using junction).

And for now, 250 GB SSD is still fine for me. I have 50+ GB free space.

Not sure why for people who use their PC for video editing only and not storing data on the system drive 250 GB is not enough. May be they need to run something like WinDirStat program to check what the space is used for. May be their temp folder or browser cache are full of downloaded videos.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

TheRhino wrote on 6/1/2019, 10:57 PM

On all 3 workstations I partitioned the 500GB SSD boot drive to have 256GB for the OS & 256 GB for my commonly used templates, background music, etc. This way I can regularly clean my separate source & target drives without worrying I will lose something I need. The SSD is also regularly automatically backed-up to the NAS, so I don't want any large video files on it, etc. wasting NAS space...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

fifonik wrote on 6/1/2019, 11:49 PM

Sure you can put something different on the drive as well.

However, in setup discussed here, there are two SSDs: SATA for OS (250 GB) + faster NVMe (1TB) for working data.

My only point was: "250 GB is enough in this setup for OS".

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

xberk wrote on 6/11/2019, 12:48 PM

@Grazie .. How is this project going? I'm starting to think about building a new box with Vegas in mind. Your spec looks like the one to follow. Love to see how your build performs ..

Grazie wrote on 6/11/2019, 1:16 PM

@xberk - Hi there... Well....Last Friday I got an email informing me that the BOX wasn’t available, and would I consider an alternative, a WHITE alternative with a Window. It’d look like something from a public convenience. Yeah, so no. I want a black one. But, every cloud has a silver lining. They did have a black one, a black version of the one with a window too, but now it sports front bays! The original one DIDN'T. Now I can have SATA DISK Caddie AND a Pioneer DVD/BU and with that the all important, for me, the CD player. So, once I get some questions answered it’s gonna be a five day build and burn in testing of the MONSTA!

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xberk wrote on 6/11/2019, 1:51 PM

Make sure that SATA DISK Caddie is hot swapable like the old Antec Easy Sata .. Mostly these days folks are using USB 3.0 docking stations which is NOT the same thing as a Drive Caddy that hooks directly to a motherboard SATA port.

Grazie wrote on 6/11/2019, 2:11 PM

@xberk - That question has been asked. I’m waiting. Erm... ? What’s the “is not the same thing” comment mean?

Chief24 wrote on 6/11/2019, 2:39 PM

Hi Grazie,

Well, since you got a couple of days extra having to "wait for the box", if you got a spare USB drive, would recommend while waiting that you visit Asus' site, and download the Win 10 drivers for that TUF motherboard, any of the utilities that you seem interested in, and the manual for the board (something to read ahead of time). This is also true of the RTX 2070 graphics card - use the nVidia Driver page. Remember, they have the "Game Ready Driver" and "Studio Driver" (guess people were getting upset with no update for the "Creator Ready Driver", or it caused too many issues for people). This, of course, assuming you are going to put this beast together, basing this on some of your comments in the thread.

And, I would be doing myself a dis-service if I didn't do my usual harping: "Back-up First!". Though, assuredly you have as well. Just my mantra to all builders, as forgetting that, always seems to "Come Back and Haunt You!"

Still like your choices for the build, especially since your "box" will have the bays to install a Burner in it. Really getting tired of hearing about "No one uses physical media", "who burns things to physical media", blah, blah, blah.

Will be patiently waiting for your results!!!!

Self Build: MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC/1950X @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB; (3) Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (LightRoom & Photoshop), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Vizio D43-F1 3840x2160 (TV); Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 15 Suite (157); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

Grazie wrote on 6/11/2019, 3:22 PM

@Chief24 - The care and thoughtfulness you've shown will not be forgotten by me - thank you.

OK, some points I need to underline. I’m not the Builder, to be thinking about constructing and then testing up to full burn-in scares the bejazzus outta me. The Builder is a company highly renown in the UK for the highest of standards. I do need a backup plan that’s efficient and not cumbersome, if you wish to share one, I’m all ears.

Now, the different nVidia setups you mention I’m going to quiz the Agent tomorrow. Again I ain’t the Builder.

xberk wrote on 6/11/2019, 3:23 PM

>>which is NOT the same thing as a Drive Caddy that hooks directly to a motherboard SATA port.

A real drive caddy is the same as an internal hard drive. You cable to the motherboard. So it does take up a port on the motherboard. Since you are hooked directly to the motherboard this mean you get the same speed (throughput) as your internal hard drives. A USB docking station works through USB ports. USB 3.0 is very fast and some might say works better than the latest SATA ports - -- but others say that the latest SATA ports are faster. My experience says SATA is more reliable and works better when doing "hot" swaps.

After a quick bit of research, I actually could not find a "hot" swapable disk caddy like the old Antec Easy Sata that I still use nearly daily.

I suppose SATA is on the way out too. SSD and NVME are the speed kings now. Hard to keep up at my age.

Grazie wrote on 6/11/2019, 3:36 PM

@xberk - Ah, righto. Thanks for clearing the SATA caddie thing. And yes, I too have the old Antec Easy SATA. This will not be a USB but a direct SATA connection to the MOBO. But again this is also being confirmed by the Builders.

vkmast wrote on 6/11/2019, 4:32 PM

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xberk wrote on 6/11/2019, 5:03 PM

>>I do need a backup plan that’s efficient and not cumbersome

Oh boy. Backup schemes for video editors. Wow. That subject deserves its own thread. I can't speak for others, but this is an area in which I'm deficient .. big time.

xberk wrote on 6/11/2019, 5:15 PM

@Grazie Regards hard drives and storage space. I've done a lot of projects in 1080p using little Portable Hard drives USB 3.0. By this I mean that all the source files and output renders are on the USB 3.0 drive. These little drives are cheap, easy to store etc.

Admittedly, these are relatively simple projects without a great deal of FX or elements that will slow preview or rendering. I'd be very curious as to how well these work on your i9 MONSTA .. but if nothing else they make great little backup drives.

Chief24 wrote on 6/11/2019, 6:32 PM

Humble apology, Grazie. I must have read "too much" into some of the various posts about "building". Do not blame you for using a "Trusted" outlet/builder.

For the nVidia drivers, supposedly, the Studio Driver won't be updated as frequently as the Game Ready Drivers, as they change mostly due to New Game releases, so nVidia can be "Game Ready on Day One" of the launch. I'm using the Studio Driver on my i7 build with the RTX 2070. Seems to be working quite well, including no issues (at the moment, at least) using Movie Studio Platinum 16 Suite (Build 109). Gonna hold out with the Windows 10 update to the May 2019 (1903) semi-annual, for at least a couple weeks until I see some more posts on the Tech YouTube channels I subscribe to. Thinking might have to do this a bit sooner on "My Signature" rig, as it is really starting to act wonky, so will just do a Complete Re-install of the OS and applications. Plus, clean out the entire chassis.

For the Backup solution...well, people seem to have their own ideas of backing up. I currently have a re-purposed X99 system, (i7-5820K, Gigabyte UD5-WiFi, 32 GB DDR4-2133, GTX 970, Windows Home Server 2011). Using a large Rosewill Blackhawk Ultra case, with 10 Internal 3.5 inch bays, 4 external 5.25 inch bays (one with a Blu-ray burner, the other three with Hot-Swap trays), as well as in internal LSI RAID card connecting the internal drives (all Western Digital 4TB RED), and an external SANDISK 8-Bay loaded with more 4TB RED drives. Running in a couple Volumes, of RAID 5 for one, the rest in a HUGE RAID 60. I am really dreading when all those drives start to decide it is time to go to Hard Drive Heaven! Took a while to get the drives, and set up, and that "Server" is connected via Hard-Wired 1Gb ethernet. Which, that is my next goal, moving to 10 Gb (that's why I'm interested in the thread by Rhino for his setup).

Oh, and that Blu-ray burner in the Server? Why? Because once a year I go down there and Burn fresh disks of all my Original Camera Pictures & Movie Files, Scanned Items, and Documents. Blu-ray disks are cheap nowadays. Plus, my Brother is close enough I can take the disks to his place for "Off-Site" storage. And I use to work with LTO tape...what a pain! Especially since I could have got some old ones from the School District I used to work at in IT. But, even being a Huge HP shop, it was getting tough to have them even repair some of the Hardware (tape drives), and some of the requisite cards can be "temperamental" at times.

 

Self Build: MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC/1950X @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB; (3) Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (LightRoom & Photoshop), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Vizio D43-F1 3840x2160 (TV); Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 15 Suite (157); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 3:47 AM

@Chief24 - No worries!

OOOh, I like this'un

 

 

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Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 4:16 AM

I can't tell you how much I've appreciated all the lads or lassies that have been responding to my pleas for understanding and scoping my next MONSTA!

I believe this venture I'm on is a great resource for the VegCrew at MAGIX and hopefully will go some way in providing base line numbers for the development of VP17 and beyond. I do hope so - and yes it IS my money that I'm investing, but I still would dearly like to know that my endeavors are being "noted" by the likes of Derek et al. @MagixDerek @MAGIX_Eric D

Toodles - The Grazie 💐

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Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti
Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 11:16 AM

Deal Closed. 😁

TAXI!

xberk wrote on 6/12/2019, 1:52 PM

@Grazie .. Congrats .. we look forward to some "real world" Vegas performance reports .. I'm mostly interested in how it "feels" without all the confusing performance stats.

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 2:22 PM

I'm mostly interested in how it "feels" without all the confusing performance stats.

@xberk - Oh yes.... I’m still searching for that fluid, Vegas experience assisted by a MONSTA!

BruceUSA wrote on 6/13/2019, 7:34 AM

You will see a big boost in performance over your existing system. But I am willing to bet, you won't be in the 14s club in that Red Car Project. Just saying :) Good Luck !

Grazie wrote on 6/13/2019, 7:56 AM

You will see a big boost in performance over your existing system.

@BruceUSA - Sure, that’s what I’m after.

But I am willing to bet, you won't be in the 14s club .....

Where’s the Bell Jar graph going for the average? Oh yeah, Groucho's tag line? I wouldn't belong to a Club that've had me as a Member!