Do you realise you can now use the trimmer with it's own internal 'preview' window?

The only wierd thing is you can only scrub, not play.

Bob.

I know I can now turn OFF Preview to the main Preview Window, from the Trimmer, but where is this "Trimmer" Preview window? All I am getting in the Trimmer, when Scrubbing, is the previous rather staccato frame<>frame<>frame "scrub"? If it DOES have one, I'd at least like to try it ot?

TIA

Grazie

Why do you need a trimmer when you have the time-line? I put every bit of shot tape on the timeline and trim from there. I find the trimmer without merit.

You can't place regions into media from the timeline, and once you've gotten working it's a little tidier to open and browse through clips in the trimmer. Media level regions are very convenient.

It really depends on how you captured things in the first place but I find the trimmer much more useful with very long clips.

The problem is that the design of the trimmer, Vegas explorer window, and project media window isn't very cohesive. It makes none of them entirely compelling and so people resort to using the timeline for everything. That's okay for some types of workflow, but not all.

As far as the idea of a seperate preview for Source and Program, I've never quite grasped what that really gets you. Must be something to it but all I've ever heard on this forum is "I want it".

One thing I'd like to see is a pushpin icon on floating windows to prevent them from docking, and an "Always on top" option.

Rob Mack

'cos I don't need every bit of shot footage on the timeline

'cos I like to use the timeline to assemble - and yes I do do marginal trims and sometimes even MORE on the Timeline

'cos I use the trimmer to create a first scrub draft - Very quickly

'cos I can get a very fast "emerging" overview of the video

'cos I use in conjunction with my other BIG favourite - MEDIA MANAGER!!!

I'm kind of with you.
The trimmer is kind of, well, not much of a trimmer compared to the way such things used to be done or maybe still are done.
Take reel, open in trimmer. Find shots. Cut shots and put them into bins. Everything follows some logical naming and logging convention including the bins. Ideally bins have some physical form, folders would seem one possible choice but now with HDV, splitting files could be problematic although maybe not. Assuming you shoot properly there should be enough space to make the cut at the nearest I frame.

The thing with this approach is you don't even need a project file, the process is quite physical, the arrangement of bins and clips on the disk is where a lot of the upfront work is done. After that begins the editing.

One great thing about the ancient way of cutting a work print I just realised, it was dang hard to accidently use the same shot twice by mistake!

I know this all sounds like a painfully anal way to work, until you get involved in longform narratives, something that thankfully I've avoided so far.

Bob.

I don't know about others, but I don't watch and trim simultaneously so having the trimmer the way it is, is just fine with me. (it's more functional to share the same display because I can use the area that might be consumed with a seperate trimmer preview window that i can use for other things more useful, like scopes or the like.

dave

Do you realise you can now use the trimmer with it's own internal 'preview' window?

I hoped for this option for a long time.
In VP8, I found it only in internal preference (Trimmer Single Frame > True).
Can we find this option elsewhere ?

Btw: we can play too, not only scrub.

The project media window can tell you how many times you've used a clip. Maybe a nice feature would be savable custom views, so you could save a view with just the columns you want to see. Essentially that's a database query.

Another nice feature, and one we also asked adobe for, is the ability to have multiple open bin windows that can float freely. Since the boss/main editor was involved with and beta tested Media100 since its inception, he tends to ask for things of PPro that M100 used to do (We finally bailed on M100 a couple of years ago because we really needed to get away from the monoculture of apple platforms, and the M100 company was becoming very unstable).

So, I'm thinking maybe things like the project media window could also have multiple free floating views. That would be an expansion of the multiple free floating bins idea.

It's all interrelated, and it should be.

Getting back onto the topic of the trimmer. One of the things I see asked for here is a way to take long shots and actually physically cut them into shorter files. That'd be a great job for the trimmer as long as you could actually preserve the time code, and add a bit of head and tail to the cuts. I suppose you'd definitely need to add head and tail if you wanted to cut HDV on I-frames, right? And the new clips need to be recapturable, so you need accurate time code.

Media100 (of a few years ago) used to do this. You could cut and create new clips, or create them "by reference". You could also render them with some media FX like color correction or speed changes. In fact, Media100 kind of required you to render things, it's an older program with roots in the days of Beta SP, slower systems, and limited storage. In contrast, Vegas really just renders in RAM which has its advantages and disadvantages.

Also M100 of a few years ago just used the same preview window for the trimmer and program. You'd explicitly have to switch between edit mode and trim mode. The trimmer window itself was more like a mini timeline, something you can shape the Vegas trimmer to look like if you let it float free. The fact that the Vegas trimmer is just a big square window when docked is actually kind of misleading in terms of what it really is, which is a little timeline.

Rob Mack

The trimmer would better use screen space if it could float free and be fairly short and long, like a timeline. It'd help if Vegas had pushpin buttons on the floating windows so you could prevent them from docking automatically.

Rob Mack

Ahh, I see it now. Once you set the trimmer window to single frame in the internal prefs then you can play in the trimmer even if you've turned off "Show video in preview window". Without the single-frame view I was only able to scrub.

Unfortunately it kind of looks like a 256-color preview in the trimmer window. I don't know if I care about that or not. I suppose the advantage to this, which kind of gives you source and program views is that you can see just what your trimmer selection is going to cut into.

Rob Mack

Even though I've been using Vegas since v2, it's only lately that I've been using the Trimmer. Forever I just dumped all tracks into the timeline as mentioned by others in this thread. Once I figured out how the Trimmer works, it became and obviously more efficient way to work.

If you drop clips into the Trimmer, you can play through them until you find the part you want to use. Then you click-n-drag your cursor over that area and drag-n-drop that specific section into your timeline. If you finish your click-n-drag by moving to the very top of the clip you select just the video portion, and if you finish the click-n-drag at the very bottom, you'll get just the audio. Anywhere in the middle gets both.

Yes, yes, yes, Tim!!

I was starting to feel like a the ONLY Trimmer advocate in Town!!

And yes, that is exactly why I use it to. OK, I DO use the Timeline to assemble and lay down complex tracks.

I DID start editing with ALL my stuff on it, but I quickly confused myself AND I found it counterproductive if I wanted to "dig" out an idea. Trimmer brings a sense of ease and what is most crucial I get to produce more coherent, and I feel, flowing work too.

.. I don't feel lonely anymore

Grazie

Geez, I feel like chopped liver, Grazie. Here I'm advocating the use of the trimmer and then you wonder if you're the only one who uses it.

Don't feel alone. Many people use the trimmer. Many others use the timeline or even a second instance of vegas. Some use both all of the above. If there was a storyboard tool some people would say that'sthe only way to go.

Rob

yes i have always used the trimmer ... very efficient for me...and remember you can always right click and adjust the height of the clips...the default is Video Height and Audio Height Equal...but you can select for the Video clips in the trimmer to be larger or the Audio larger depending on your preference...

Once you set the trimmer window to single frame in the internal prefs
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Where are these Internal Prefs?
Options > Preferences... >

-- I do NOT see this option.
I know this isn't exactly what I'm looking for... but maybe it is at least be a little closer.
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Having a 'Trimmer' or 'Source' Monitor is Very Necessary for 3 point editing. Especially if you have to do any 'Insert Editing'.

I used to dump everything onto the timeline too because I knew no other way in Vegas. I'm simply tired of doing that. I know how to edit so why would I ever just dump my clips onto the timeline?

It would be oh so nice to see the Trimmer w/ a Source Monitor & Timeline view. (w/ a One-Click option to keep it the way it is for those that like it.)
I've suggested it... maybe if you guys like it... you can also suggest it.

go to option then shift/preferences then internal should show

Yeah Dude(s)! Thanks for this info!
This is VERY Close to what I was hoping for. I made the Video larger than the Audio... Yes!


This will work for me. It's a variation of what I'm used to in the other NLE's... but close enough.

Thanks for pointing this out to me. I would like to see it as I described... but, once again, this is close enough for me.

I wish I could set the Audio tracks to stay small and NOT grow when I change the size of the window. If I make the Video tracks larger... the Audio tracks follow. If I make the Audio tracks small... the Video track follows.

Quote "If you drop clips into the Trimmer, you can play through them until you find the part you want to use. Then you click-n-drag your cursor over that area and drag-n-drop that specific section into your timeline. If you finish your click-n-drag by moving to the very top of the clip you select just the video portion, and if you finish the click-n-drag at the very bottom, you'll get just the audio. Anywhere in the middle gets both".


I swear this is why I read the forums, there is always something I have overlooked. I could not understand why It would select video only sometimes, then right click select video and audio, a real nuisance. On close inspection you can see the dotted lines that divide the trimmer into the three section. Quite brilliant.

AND...use the tab key to toggle region selection of trimmer with "video-only", "audio-only", "video & audio". Then after selecting timeline insert point, use the "A" key to add the trimmer selection. Very effecient.

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Where are these Internal Prefs?
Options > Preferences... >

-- I do NOT see this option.
I know this isn't exactly what I'm looking for... but maybe it is at least be a little closer.
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I'M GOING BATTY TRYING TO FIND THIS TOO ... I'm holding the shift key when I go to "Options > Preferences... >" but its not giving me amy different options to if I don't hold down thje shift key.
I use the trimmer window all the time and really want to know how to do this ??

click otions
then hold down shift and press preferences
internal is at the top right of the preferences box that pops up