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RogerS wrote on 2/16/2021, 7:54 AM

Don't know EVGA's current reputation but it's a top-of-the-line $800 card. I'd take it : )

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=10G-P5-3885-KR

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Grazie wrote on 2/16/2021, 8:08 AM

I'd take it : )

@RogerS - How about with a 40% discount? 😝

Grazie wrote on 2/16/2021, 8:28 AM

There’s no option for a Studio Driver. Interesting, huh 🤔.

3POINT wrote on 2/16/2021, 10:13 AM

Still waiting for your MONSTA, Grazie? At the time it's back you probably can call it SLOTH...😉

JN- wrote on 2/16/2021, 10:22 AM

@Grazie Truly excellent.

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CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

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Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

Grazie wrote on 2/16/2021, 11:06 AM

@JN- We’ll see, dear heart, we’ll see.

@3POINT - Hysterical! One day I’ll give you the FULL lowdown.

Grazie wrote on 2/18/2021, 9:27 AM

"Somebody Stop Me!”

Back in Business - Smokin’..... 😎

TheRhino wrote on 2/18/2021, 1:22 PM

@Grazie GREAT! Glad they stood behind their warranty & also allowed you upgrade for the price-difference!

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

Grazie wrote on 2/18/2021, 1:59 PM

Yup, no complaints here. 😉

3POINT wrote on 2/18/2021, 2:10 PM

On my new workstation I still prefer the better quality of CPU render above the faster GPU render. I'm glad that I put more attention to a faster i9 CPU (this morning rendering 100% at 4.8GHz) than to the latest GTX.

Grazie wrote on 2/18/2021, 2:24 PM

@3POINT - Always willing to learn . . .

Anywho, just thought I do a Neat Video Performance Optimization RUN:

It just knock away the CPU and smashed for the GPU - that'll be the RTX3080 !!

3POINT wrote on 2/18/2021, 2:48 PM

I just trust my eyes for comparing quality and not the fps speed.

I'm rendering 2160p50 a little faster than real time (51 fps with QSV and 42 fps with NV) but still prefer the 25 fps CPU render from Voukoder.

Grazie wrote on 2/18/2021, 3:00 PM

@3POINT - Thanks! 😉

3POINT wrote on 2/18/2021, 3:21 PM

When I just want rendering speed I use my other NLE which does the same render with 123 fps NV.

Maybe you as the GPU render expert can explain to me why Vegas is only using the encoding part of the GPU and not also the decoding part, whilst rendering, like my other (faster) NLE does.

Grazie wrote on 2/18/2021, 3:32 PM

Maybe you as the GPU render expert

@3POINT - No I’m not. I’ve just had my PC fixed by specialists, and garnered support from others here. Perhaps one day I can reach your understandings of these things. Until that time I rely on your and others for direction. 😉

RogerS wrote on 2/18/2021, 6:32 PM

When I just want rendering speed I use my other NLE which does the same render with 123 fps NV.

Maybe you as the GPU render expert can explain to me why Vegas is only using the encoding part of the GPU and not also the decoding part, whilst rendering, like my other (faster) NLE does.

Video decode depends on the type of footage. Vegas supports hardware decoding of certain formats. Try regular AVC and you should see both.

For me I have my integrated GPU doing decoding so it doesn't show up on the NVIDIA tab. [Edit- I think you are probably seeing the same- your Intel GPU is at 19%. Try clicking on it]

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Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Richvideo wrote on 2/18/2021, 7:35 PM

@3POINT - Always willing to learn . . .

Anywho, just thought I do a Neat Video Performance Optimization RUN:

It just knock away the CPU and smashed for the GPU - that'll be the RTX3080 !!

I would be curious to see what numbers you get with the quality mode set to high (temporal and spatial) and radius set to 3 or 4

 

3POINT wrote on 2/19/2021, 1:06 AM

When I just want rendering speed I use my other NLE which does the same render with 123 fps NV.

Maybe you as the GPU render expert can explain to me why Vegas is only using the encoding part of the GPU and not also the decoding part, whilst rendering, like my other (faster) NLE does.

Video decode depends on the type of footage. Vegas supports hardware decoding of certain formats. Try regular AVC and you should see both.

For me I have my integrated GPU doing decoding so it doesn't show up on the NVIDIA tab. [Edit- I think you are probably seeing the same- your Intel GPU is at 19%. Try clicking on it]

Means Vegas could also render much faster when it would support hardware decoding, like me other NLE does?

RogerS wrote on 2/19/2021, 1:11 AM

Vegas does support hardware decoding (and if you clicked on Intel you'd likely see that) so the difference is more likely that Vegas doesn't use the GPU's core processing functionality (upper row for 3D) very well. It does do encoding and decoding. It also may not be as efficient at utilizing multicore CPUs as other software.

Feel free to share a screenshot of task manager with the other NLE to compare CPU and GPU activity.

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Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

3POINT wrote on 2/19/2021, 1:26 AM

Screenshot of Vegas rendering compared with my other NLE rendering, same footage (DJI Osmo Pocket AVC 2160p50 100 Mbps) rendered to 2160p50 with dissolves between clips. My other NLE renders almost 3 times faster than Vegas with the same GPU hardware.

Grazie wrote on 2/19/2021, 2:52 AM

@Richvideo -

I would be curious to see what numbers you get with the quality mode set to high (temporal and spatial) and radius set to 3 or 4

Wow! Used NV at your suggested settings, plus TWIXTOR I got 25fps on a 60fps. Not too shabby, methinks. Used the NVENC Speed demon template.

RogerS wrote on 2/19/2021, 5:39 AM

@3POINT Interesting results. I'm surprised there's no 3D usage with the other program. It must be well-optimized for GPU Encoding and Decoding. What is the CPU% like during the render?

However for Vegas, I think you are clicking on the wrong GPU- if you want to see decoding, try Intel. Alternatively in Vegas File I/O, change hardware decoding to NVIDIA from Auto (Intel). It may be less stable and compatible with fewer file formats, but performance is likely higher with NVIDIA.

The basic point that Vegas isn't that well optimized for performance is something I agree with.

4K to HD conversions:
Vegas (NVENC): 0:33
Vegas (Mainconcept CPU): 2:53
Effects (CPU + GPU support but not for encoding): 1:19
Resolve (not Studio so no encoding/decoding GPU support): 1:44

Here's what it looks like in Vegas Effects doing a 4K to HD conversion- CPU is around 100% and no hardware encoding (presumably to preserve quality) but there is decoding with NVIDIA and 3D activity with both Intel and NVIDIA.


Resolve- no decoding activity but yes for 3D. CPU~100%:

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Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

3POINT wrote on 2/19/2021, 8:06 AM

@RogerS Sorry, I'm not that interested how to speed up rendering times or in rendering speed tests at all. First because rendering is just a very small part of the whole video editing process and spending a few minutes more or less on that hours taken process, I don't care. Second as I also always do 4k to FHD conversion, I'm really disappointed about the quality of those GPU supported renders compared to Voukoder CPU renders.

Grazie wrote on 2/19/2021, 8:53 AM

 

Sorry, I'm not that interested how to speed up rendering times or in rendering speed tests at all. First because rendering is just a very small part of the whole video editing process and spending a few minutes more or less on that hours taken process, I don't care.

@3POINT Ah righto. So I’m now understanding your depth of dislike about this thread. You have very high standards, nothing wrong with that. And definitely no need to apologise with your “sorry”, I’m now understanding even further your comment about me knowing about rendering. We are fortunate to have your expertise on this Forum. I’m always willing to learn from you.