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3POINT wrote on 2/20/2021, 4:51 PM

@3POINT - et al and just for Fun I did the MagicYUVA 4444 and got 10 seconds HUGE file!

Makes no sense to me, I make final renders to watch on my UHDTV and not for further editing.

Good night Grazie, here it is around midnight now, will continue tomorrow.

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Grazie wrote on 2/20/2021, 5:07 PM

Good night Grazie, here it is around midnight now, will continue tomorrow.

@3POINT - Sleep well! And thanks for your feedback.

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 6:20 AM

@3POINT - I slept on all this . . and this morning without making ANY changes:

A] NVENC PressReleaseProject now in VP18 1a = 00:22

B] INTEL QSV PressReleaseProject now in VP18 1a = 01:09

On A above, yes, there's a MIX of GPU and CPU usage, but on B the CPU is Max-ed out with little GPU. I've repeated these Renders 4 times.

What do you think?

3POINT wrote on 2/21/2021, 9:17 AM

@Grazie OK, I just did the same, the PressReleaseProject as Magix AVC NVENC render = 00:17 and as Magix AVC QVC = 00:15. Strange that's a huge difference between mine QSV render and yours (No typing error of you?)

Also whatever I do, a QSV render is always quicker than a NVENC render.

Do you have Voukoder installed? The same render with Voukoder = 0:24 results in a 3 time smaller file than with Magix AVC, Voukoder when I visually compare, has also a little better quality.

diverG wrote on 2/21/2021, 9:43 AM

@Grazie

What drivers do you have installed for IGPU? Have found the driver supplied with MB much better than latest as found by VP. If you make changes note driver number currently installed. With the right driver I to find QSV faster AVC NVENC. In many cases drivers found via VP>Help>Driver updates resulted in Preferences>Video>GPU Accl showing Intel driver unsupported. NVENC 36s QSV 33s. With unsupported driver QSV runs out to around 60s.

You certainly show cores count.

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Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 9:46 AM

@3POINT - I have no idea why that should be. Do you have your NVIDIA card driver on STUDIO or GAME?

3POINT wrote on 2/21/2021, 9:58 AM

These are my installed drivers as recommended by Vegas. I just see there is an updated driver for IGPU.

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:00 AM

OK, I was reading that Nvidia have made an ongoing Balance between Studio<>Games Driver. I'm not seeing much love between the two drivers - they have the same number but have different sizes:

 

 

 

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:08 AM

@diverG - I have the latest install. Whether Studio or Games, I haven't the foggiest idea.

j-v wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:20 AM

@Grazie Show us here a screenshot of your Help/Check for driver Updates like mine

because you showed very low performance with QSV render.

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Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:35 AM

It recognises/shows the RTX3080 but just a DASH in empty fields.

j-v wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:42 AM

It recognises/shows the RTX3080 but just a DASH in empty fields.

That one has nothing to do with QSV rendering. For real QSV rendering you need an Intel GPU. Mostly that is a part of the Intel CPU, but AFAICS your Intel has not such a GPU.

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Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:48 AM

@j-v Well that makes sense. So how is it doing the QSV renders?

diverG wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:58 AM

Maybe 10900x does not include integral graphics or graphics not enabled in Bios. If QSV not available should not VP recognise this and not offer it as a choice?

Edit: i9 10900X does not have integrated graphics. Source Google. Still however a powerful pc

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j-v wrote on 2/21/2021, 11:12 AM

So how is it doing the QSV renders?

No idea but I think it is only a name and it does nothing.
Maybe one of the developpers can give here some help.
When I switch-off my Intel 630 GPU I see this with Magix AVC and Magix HEVC

while I don't see anything happening with that GPU only CPU while it is with Intel GPU on only 60-70 % CPU and 90 % Intel GPU

 

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Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 3:48 PM

Hello Chaps! - Unless I'm doing something wrong, here's my QSV Encoding on, purportedly, a NON-QSV INTEL PC:

So many misnomers. So liittle time . . . 🙃

3POINT wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:00 PM

Grazie could you show a screenshot of your Help/Check for driver Updates screen like j-v and I did?

Also it's not clear to me if you used Magix AVC or MAGIX HEVC for your speedrender tests.

diverG wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:19 PM

@Grazie

Perform a render that should invoke the GPU. Open up TaskManager > performance as per JV above. Look for GPU at bottom of list. It looks as though the render options may not be telling the full story. Wishful thinking springs to mind on VP's part by way of true render options.

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Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:24 PM

Also it's not clear to me if you used Magix AVC or MAGIX HEVC for your speedrender tests.

@3POINT - What do you want me to use?

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:30 PM

Here's that MISSING Driver Info:

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:33 PM

Here's my Render Selections. One gives me Intel QSV and the other gives me NVENC:

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:43 PM

OK, I repeated the SAME and got the very SAME timings:

NVENC = 22secs

Intel QSV = 1min 7secs

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:52 PM

MAGIX AVCAAC NVENC PressReleaseProject now in VP18 1a = 19secs

MAGIX AVCAAC MC AVC Only PressReleaseProject now in VP18 1a = 55secs

Grazie wrote on 2/21/2021, 4:54 PM

Well? So, I've been clear about my Render Templates. I've showed you my Driver Update Panel. Now what?