Are you saying that when you use the multicamera editing feature, there is no way to make regular edits? That can't be?

Editing in multicam mode works exactly the same as you are used to.
You can expand your video track to show A- and B-roll on separate subtracks.
The synced camera tracks disappear when you create your multicam track, that's why I suggested copying them first.

Disclaimer: Some of this may have changed in v12, so I'll stand corrected if need be.

I'm using version 10, but not following along with what you're saying. When in multicam mode, if I press s for split at the point I need to make an edit, it splits the video track, but not the audio track.

But then you say any edits I do in non-multicam mode will be lost.

So it doesn't seem I am able to make edits? I read something in some begginer guide I have that says to just switch to another take, but that's obviously not a solution that will work all the time.

And now I've somehow just destroyed my project, don't know what happened. I inserted a split while in regular mode, then I went to multicam mode and somehow there's some event that got taken out and put at the beginning of the timeline; I don't even know how to describe what happened. Fortunately, I'm just starting on this project so I didn't lose much...Have to reimport and re-sync though. Still haven't figured out how to edit video =(

In the multicam editing properties, you can choose to edit the audio in multicam mode or not.

As I stated, do not do splits, cuts, edits, etc. on the original tracks!
Create your multicam track first.

I also suggested you COPY YOUR SYNCED TRACKS to new ones.
If you don't do this, and you screw up, you will have to start from scratch. Cheap insurance.
So is "Save Early, Save Often."

You will find links to tutorials on this forum.

Really, editing is the same, you are just doing it all in one space.
You can leave and enter multicam editing mode at will.

So far so good. I made the edits and cross faded all the events on the multicamera track together. I then enabled multicam editing and I'm making the cuts. Here's an issue I've run into now: At the point of one of the edits, If I change the take to the other camera, it highlights the audio on that event in a pinkish red color - what does that mean?

I would try grouping the synced audio and video tracks before creating the multicam track.

My audio mix is completely independent from the camera tracks (except when doing the initial sync to camera) so I'm not familiar with your issue. IOW, the camera audio is muted (we have as many as 18 audio subs recorded and mixed down to 5.1).

Yes the audio is indeed independent of the video tracks when making the cuts from camera to camera. However, the previous edits that I made did include the audio track, so those crossfades are still there. If I change the take manually, then it's highlighting the audio track for just that event in the pink color which I interpret as some kind of warning?

Before take change:


After take change:

I thought it was just me doing duplicating of timeline, and make backup of 'sync-ed raw clips'....

Multicam workflow in VegasPro, as far as I can see, is just combining whole shots into 'takes'. So if you right-click on 'merged' multicam event, and right-click>Take, you will see other shots on the list.

Pink is a notice that the video and audio part is not sync-ed, there's a little shift although it's possible that the shifting only differ in less than 1frame. Try Tool>Multicamera>'Expand to Multiple track' to make it back (not reversible process!), and analyse it. Right click > Synchronize to check.

*Save backup to different project file so you didn't lost any previous settings and can just load previous one project quickly.

All that shows is that the audio (which you did not replace) is now not in sync with the video take (which you did replace. Perfectly normal, considering you chose to edit the audio as part of the multicam track and then switched video takes.

Don't know your intent, but I suspect your life would be much easier if the audio was mixed independently of the multicam video. That's how I, and most indies do it.

This just isn't computing in my brain. Prior to doing the multicam stuff, I had to make edits at 8 places in the video. When I say edits, I mean I had to split and remove block of time where mistakes were made. The mistakes were both audio and video, it wouldn't make sense to just correct the video portion of the mistake.

Why does changing a take after an edit make the audio go out of sync? It's all one audio track. As soon as the two videos were synced up, I deleted the other audio track completely and just use the board mix.

I'm lost now as I can't find a way around the pink indicator thing. The only way to move forward is to use the take that was already there for that event, even if it's the one I don't want =(

EDIT: I think I found a way around this, but not sure. If I expand to multiple tracks, I can then swtich when events are muted at the edit point without Vegas complaining about the audio being out of sync. But now I discovered yet another issue. Vegas seems to delete my cross fades from my edits, as well as the cross fades from when I Ctrl+click to switch cameras, now they're just hard cuts which I did not want.

Mike, you are going at this completely backwards of my usual workflow.
By trying to do the multicam video and audio editing simultaneously, all on the the top track, you are left with a boat that has lost its anchor (the audio).

Here is what a completed multicam project looks like in my corner of the universe. The top track is the multicam video; the rest, well it is all the audio, which was completely laid down and mixed before I made even the first video edit. The original track copies were deleted (or muted) only after the project was completed and the print accepted. The show (not the shoot) was a smallish $40,000 venture in this case.



I think you need to learn from what's been done before, because you're in well-charted territory. Since it looks like this is music, check the work of Patryk Rebisz, Muttley, and some others in our end of the business.

"Why does changing a take after an edit make the audio go out of sync?"

Sorry but I do not have enough experience with the way you are going about this to be of further help this time.

Well, that's what I don't understand, the workflow.

All the video tutorials I've seen on Youtube, Vimeo, even ones by VASST only show multicamera editing from the perspective of doing the camera cuts. All these tutorials seem to assume that you have perfect video without any edits that need to made. Like the VASST tutorial is just a concert shoot. Ok, no big deal, the concert was live and he just goes from cut to cut. I get that.

What I don't get is how/when to edit the videos. For example, I have two cameras running in this instructional video and suppose a telephone rings. The cameras keep rolling and we just wait about 5 seconds and then the actor just starts over whatever he was saying when the phone rang. Obviously, that section needs to come out, it can't be in the final video, and switching takes isn't going to solve the problem because the error is on both the audio and video. I need to physically isolate where it happens, split it at that point, and then crossfade it back together. Prior to my venturing into multicamera editing, this was easy to do. But I've spent most of the afternoon and tonight not being able to make a simple edit.

If it can't be done, then I'll have to abandon multicam, and go back to picture in picture which I don't want to do because these videos aren't going to be full HD and the PIP will be too small.

musicvid, thanks, I do appreciate your help; I'm just frustrated.

Since I've worn out musicvid, can anyone else explain, or point me to a tutorial on the proper workflow for multicamera work (not just switching cameras by clicking, but making actual edits too)?

I don't know if I've forgotten something or mislead you somehow, and if so, I apologize. The last multicam project I did was a few years ago, and it was very successful (see above). There were dozens of cuts.

I'm sure it's me. What you said about me approaching it backwards is good news to me because that tells me that it shouldn't be this darn hard. it's a 35 minute video that needs 8 edits, and the camera cuts, that's it.

Mike, when you're not in Multicam mode, i.e. when you don't have all the cameras showing in Preview, you edit as usual. There are several workflows but to remove a short section I would:
1. Split all tracks at either end of the piece to be removed
2. Double click to highlight region to be removed, press Delete once or twice to empty all tracks.
3. Ctrl/Shift F: This will Ripple everything to close the gap
4. To fine tune drag again followed by Ctrl/Shift F
5. To create dissolve, either
Drag again for overlap followed by Ctrl/Shift F, or
Depending on desired audio timing, Top video adjacent Events can be Ungrouped, and their edge dragged to create dissolve, either right over left, or left over right ..

Peter, thanks for the reply. What you describe is how to make an edit, which I know how to do (although I'm not familiar with the Ctrl Shift F) I usually just split, trim the event and then drag them together for overlap to get the crossfade.

The part I'm having a LOT of trouble with is making such edits when I have a two camera shoot, which I intend to use the Multicamera editing feature in Vegas.

Mike, Are you well aware of these two switches, exactly what they do, and when they shouldn't be used? (It's in the Help).



I just located and opened up the old project pictured above, and all my edits on the multicam video and normal audio work exactly as I would expect them to in a regular project. No surprises, no differences, and precisely as Peter just described.

Keep working. You'll figure it out. I would never have finished that project if it was anything like what you seem to be describing.

"Mike, Are you well aware of these two switches, exactly what they do, and when they shouldn't be used? (It's in the Help)."

As I understand it, Enable Multicamera Editing is the option that allows you to be able to click on the preview window while the video is playing to switch from camera to camera.

Edit Multicamera Audio with Video - I am unsure about this, and wasn't able to locate it in the help file. The VASST tutorial on Vimeo addressed it, but it didn't make any sense to me what he was saying. I thought the whole point of multicamera was to have one audio track and switch between the videos from the different cameras.

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From the point where I have my two video and two associated audio tracks on the timeline, and synced up, and formed a new group for them so they don't get out of sync, then what are the next steps?

By edit Multicamera audio with video, that means you are also changing the audio takes too. so from camera 1 (video1-audio1), change to cam2, means, change to video2 AND audio2).
So the audio follows - and by default - this feature is off.

btw, I just testing this feature in order to make sure the function is intended like that - and I found a difference between merging Video only and merge Video-Audio track together.
So, if the target for multicamera is having one audio track, turn this off.
When merging Track1 (Cam1) and Track2 (Cam2), select these video tracks without touching those audio tracks (Click video track1 and Ctrl-click video track2 - merge).

*Expanding back to Multiple Tracks will delete those crossfade made before... - Yes.

Ok, I now understand what is meant by edit Multicamera audio with video and you're right, that's not what I want. I will discard the audio track for the 2nd camera as that camera's audio is only used for syncing purposes. That's all good, so I just need to figure out the editing workflow.