How to make VEGAS Pro not dependent on GPU?

Z-Diglett wrote on 6/27/2023, 8:00 PM

Pretty self-explanatory. I'm using VEGAS Pro 16 right now, and I was wondering if there's a way to not make it depend on my iGPU. I have it disabled right now due to an issue with another program (Steam), but clicking the "Render as..." button in VEGAS makes it always crash unless I turn my GPU back on, which is a problem since doing so can make my entire computer lock up. VEGAS is the only program on my PC that seems to need the iGPU at all, so if I can make VEGAS not crash when I try to render with the GPU disabled, I can effectively work around both these issues. Is there a way to do this? I have an AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, if that helps.

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RogerS wrote on 6/27/2023, 9:50 PM

In preferences, file io is your other GPU enabled (I assume you have a GPU.)
In preferences/video is the other GPU selected?

Beyond that not sure- disable in bios and delete the iGPU drivers with DDU Uninstaller and then reset VEGAS so it doesn't look for and find the iGPU anymore?

It's a little bit too bad as VEGAS can benefit from iGPUs for decoding.

mark-y wrote on 6/27/2023, 10:09 PM

Have you updated your AMD drivers?

Z-Diglett wrote on 6/27/2023, 11:29 PM

In preferences, file io is your other GPU enabled (I assume you have a GPU.)
In preferences/video is the other GPU selected?

Beyond that not sure- disable in bios and delete the iGPU drivers with DDU Uninstaller and then reset VEGAS so it doesn't look for and find the iGPU anymore?

It's a little bit too bad as VEGAS can benefit from iGPUs for decoding.

File I/O doesn't exist in my Preferences tab, but yes, my NVIDIA GPU is selected under the video tab. (My AMD doesn't even show up in there, so I have no idea why it's trying to use it.)

Have you updated your AMD drivers?

Yes. Many times, to solve a whole litany of issues. In fact, the issue I'm having is well-documented as recently as this year, so at this point I just have to either hope AMD decides to do their job or deal with this crummy workaround.

RogerS wrote on 6/27/2023, 11:35 PM

Ah, sorry file io was introduced after VP 16. I haven't used old versions in a while.

I'd still do the VEGAS reset so that it searches for the GPU again and hopefully doesn't find the deleted and disabled AMD. It's likely looking for VCE render templates that it could work with.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/28/2023, 1:06 AM

Generally spoken, Vegas (also VP16) will need a GPU or an i-GPU for rendering. If the AMD GPU does not show up in the options/preferences/video tab, then this is real issue.

But I am confused really. How can you have an i-GPU, if you have an processor AMD Ryzen 5 7600X? The i-GPUs are part of some of the Intel processor series.

So please give us the exact specifications of your system.

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RogerS wrote on 6/28/2023, 1:42 AM

There are "Radeon Graphics" iGPUs that come with certain Ryzen processors. This one does seem to have it: https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-7600x

They've had more than their share of driver issues based on experience in this forum. Too bad as they otherwise seem capable.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/28/2023, 2:08 AM

See your point. However, is that the only GPU in the system? How should it work with even VP16, if that is disabled?

 

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RogerS wrote on 6/28/2023, 2:16 AM

I had the same question.

OP later stated "my NVIDIA GPU" so there is some other NVIDIA GPU present as well.

Would be nice if the initial post included information like CPU and GPU model.

j-v wrote on 6/28/2023, 5:30 AM

....., but yes, my NVIDIA GPU is selected under the video tab.

When in VPo 16 I disable my Intel iGPU there stay a lot of working renderpossibilities , f.i. the Magix AVC NVENC.
Which NVidia card do you have and which driverversion is installed?

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Z-Diglett wrote on 6/28/2023, 4:22 PM

Ah, sorry file io was introduced after VP 16. I haven't used old versions in a while.

I'd still do the VEGAS reset so that it searches for the GPU again and hopefully doesn't find the deleted and disabled AMD. It's likely looking for VCE render templates that it could work with.

Just tried doing this with the AMD GPU disabled and it unfortunately didn't help. Still got the exact same crash as soon as I hit the "Render as..." button.

....., but yes, my NVIDIA GPU is selected under the video tab.

When in VPo 16 I disable my Intel iGPU there stay a lot of working renderpossibilities , f.i. the Magix AVC NVENC.
Which NVidia card do you have and which driverversion is installed?

My NVIDIA is a GeForce RTX 3060, and I have the most recent drivers for that, too. (I spent several weeks obsessively updating my graphics drivers to solve another issue recently, so I'm certain of this if nothing else.)

I can't even get the render window to show up without turning on the IGPU. If you can get this far with your IGPU off, I have no idea what the problem is.

fr0sty wrote on 6/29/2023, 1:31 AM

Try this... Go into the video tab of preferences and set the GPU to be used as your RTX 3060. Reboot VEGAS if it says you must.

open a brand new project. Drop a media generator, like a checkerboard, onto the timeline. The only reason you're doing this is to keep "render as" from being greyed out in the file menu.

Hit render as... does the render dialog box appear or does it crash? If no crash, then open your project you were trying to render. Hit render as again... does it still crash?

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Z-Diglett wrote on 7/9/2023, 10:44 AM

Try this... Go into the video tab of preferences and set the GPU to be used as your RTX 3060. Reboot VEGAS if it says you must.

open a brand new project. Drop a media generator, like a checkerboard, onto the timeline. The only reason you're doing this is to keep "render as" from being greyed out in the file menu.

Hit render as... does the render dialog box appear or does it crash? If no crash, then open your project you were trying to render. Hit render as again... does it still crash?

I've already tried this and it still produces the same crash. It doesn't matter if I manually have it set to use my NVIDIA GPU, it seemingly always tries to use my AMD to render even when it's turned off.

At this point, I'm just keeping my IGPU on and hoping I never have to turn it off. Slow Steam load times suck, but whatever.