I guess when you grow up in a country where the only king is the dollar, you get used to different things than I do. The concept of freedom to me, includes the right to not receive unwanted information, advertising and spam. By default I should not be bothered with such messages. If I want them I should have to do something actively for it, not the other way around. This is also in accordance with the principles in Norwegian (and as far as I know, European) law.
I know I did not turn on the option to recieve net notifications in Vegas. Someone else did. And by doing that, someone made an assault on my freedom. It’s as simple – and as grave – as that.

Still, I too get spam all the time. And there are muggings in the parks. I don’t talk moral or ethics to those people. I am talking to SONY – a company I expect higher standards from. (And usually get it, too.)
Tor

I'm Rick James BITCH!!! Turn it off!

was just back on the forum checking things out when i saw how much this thread has grown.

i'm not poking since i agree with TorS from a theoretical point of view. ie in the grander themes with this being just another in a chain of little pains that we face every day.

i see this pop up issue not so much as an inconvenience, which i do believe it is, but rather a step in the progression that we (people using anything anywhere and anytime) are moving to an extreme life of push technology. Companies (yes those nasty entities everyone hates but for some reason rely on every day) in the mainstream nudge their way along the push pathway that is set up by spammers and other aggressive direct marketers. this way when they try their little tactics some people like TorS and to a lesser extent myself get pissed but the majority of the people look at it as, well that's not too bad, i guess if i just uncheck the setting then i won't be bothered.

win2k did this for auto update and you have to set the setting to stop it from doing it. People were thinking this isn't so bad, microsoft wants to help me (i wasn't but i'm sure some people, like members of that family mentioned in a previous post who hit accept on all the webpages, saw it as a benefit.

i think we're heading to point where if you don't want to be a part of this type of system your going to have to demonstrate with your wallet. The question then beomes is the intrusion sufficient for you to walk and take your business elsewhere.

my second set of two cents, so does that actually make four? or do i get to start fresh as long as someone else posts before i post again. :)

For crying out loud folks, just turn off Net Notify and get back to work! :)

John

I will not have Net Notify.

I will not have Net Notify in a box.
I will not have Net Notify with a fox.
I will not have Net Notify in a house.
I will not have Net Notify with a mouse.
I will not have Net Notify here or there.
I will not have Net Notify anywhere.
I do not like Net Notify

I will not have Net Notify in the rain.
I will not have Net Notify on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like it in a box.
I do not like Net Notify with a fox.
I will not have Net Notify in a house.
I will not have Net Notify with a mouse.
I do not like Net Notify here or there.
I do not like Net Notify ANYWHERE!
I do not like Net Notify

"For crying out loud folks, just turn off Net Notify and get back to work! :)"


Exactly, that's what I've been saying all day!

I like net notify. I think it is helpful and imformative. It keeps me up to date on the latest ways I can spend my money. Very helpful.

Funny how these threads take on a life all their own. After all - Sony is just trying to be helpful.

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OT-
How to deal with telephone spammers:

Be very polite, put them on hold for "the boss".

Leave them on hold forever and bet with your office mates how long they last.

Ive never seen any popup from Vegas. But then I cant even find the option to turn it off.

Did anyone complaining about this actually read all of the EULA? I didnt read the vegas on e cause I usually dont, but the software company I work for has a similar feature (its more about license checking online randomly than advertising) but it clearly states in in the EULA that this feature is there.

And when you click "ok" and "I agree" to the EULA you are accepting the terms of the software installation.

I was pretty sure I'd leave this thread alone after my first reply, but jeez! - I can't believe how this thing has taken off!

I'm curious to know how many of you loaded Vegas (version irrelevant), skimmed the manual/help files, then, with every possible setting in this application left at its default, began creating projects from beginning to end. If you did, you probably spent too much money and could have easily stayed with Windows Movie Maker or iMovie. Why is deselecting this setting any different from changing any other option? There are those who may argue that the other options are not "sales related" and although I could press the point, I won't. Ok, so it's sales related. But it is still an option (that many find useful) and the real disagreement is whether or not it should be enabled by default. I'm sure there is a sizeable number of people who are glad the reminder is built-in (changing e-mail addresses/ISP's, etc.).

My guess is that the "ads" played during the installation of many packages educating the average user about add-ons or the company's other products are just as offensive to the same group of people who find this "feature" in Vegas a problem.

Oh well, ALL the participants in this thread have lost much more productivity to this thread than clicking 'Close' (or 'X') and getting on with their editing. ;-)

TBone

P.S.
I'm not sure which country an earlier insuation was aimed at, but for the record, Sony is a Japanese company last I heard . . . .

I say let's make a law. Then we can prevent Microsoft from popping up that "get to know windows" box every time after a fresh installation. Or we could also prevent companies from popping up a "tips and tricks" box when the program first starts. It's a pain to actually have to turn that stuff off. Who cares if we never know it exists.

In addition we can force Microsoft to disable the auto update feature since it is downloading unwanted information. Who need that critical update crap anyway. Especially automaticly.

And that stupid pop up in MSN Messenger that tells you when someone logs in? That thing needs to be turned off by default too.

Then, lets see. Mabe we could make a law to keep people from putting up billboard signs on the interstate. Who want's to be advertised to when you drive down the road. Besides it ruins the landscape and doesn't look anything like a utopian vision of the future.

Hmmm. I could probalby make this stuff up forever. I'm tired of typing.

JBJones

TorS " I guess when you grow up in a country where the only king is the dollar " ... fu. Getting way to personal about something that has way to easy a solution. Grow up, shut up, uncheck the little square and change your diaper.

Yea, I said it.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

How come no one has gotten all steamed up about Vegas by default trying to convert everyone to using NTSC? We don't even get an installation option or a check box that says "Please use PAL for everything". Clearly this is another part of the global conspiracy by the US to convert the entire planet to their way of life. And how come there's no templates for SECAM? Ah, yes that'd be a bit too 'pink' now wouldn't it.

<end sarcasm>

I now feel like an idiot, one of my gripes some time ago was that Vegas didn't have net notification. Damn, how come mine doesn't work. And from what I can glean reading through all the copious posts here is it only notifies you, you still have to manually go and get the updates. This is a pain, surely they can get with the times and have an option to auto download and install the latest release.
I wish more companies would provide these mechanisms, given the complexities of the code and the number of things most of us have running having to manually check that we have the latest drivers for, let me see, my MoBos various parts, A/D converter, video card, soundcard and shuttle controller is a right royal pain.


Bob.

.........I know I did not turn on the option to recieve net notifications in Vegas. Someone else did. And by doing that, someone made an assault on my freedom. It’s as simple – and as grave – as that.



Shut up

again i point to my previous statment.

Did you actually read every line of the EULA before you installed it?

So if they turn another option OFF and you want it on, is that an assault on your freedom too?

You agreed to Sonys terms when you downloaded/installed. It's as simple as that. Turn it off.

>>>Or we could also prevent companies from popping up a "tips and tricks" box when the program first starts.<<<

Back to my post and what I said - irony of this posters comment aside my point is that in situations like this every first run "tips and tricks" pop up has a little check box clearly labled with wording to the affect of "Don't show this again." It would be a bit different than having this "helpful" little pop up and no clear indication on how to stop it. I think if MS was really clear in what to do there would not be so many sites devoted to Windows hacks and how to turn off, or uninstall, uneeeded garbage. Likewise there would not be this whole sub market for programs devoted to finding "ad ware" that is put onto a persons machine by installers. (And while we are on the subject - remember a while back Sony added something to the, I believe, Sound Forge installer and people freaked out about it and it was removed.)

I said this about the "Auto Edit" features of certian other software and I will say it here about "auto update" functions - we are becoming a universal society that plays to the lowest common denominator. Why bother to learn how to edit when the software will do 99% of the work for you? Why bother to learn how to use a computer when the OS 'runs itself'? Why bother with learning how to read when someone can read for you? (or better yet - when you can look at pictures in a 'one size fits all' colour coded assembly package?)


"gee I don't understand why my new car stopped running. The dealer gave it to me and it was running fine. Than it just stoppped. I don't get it. The liltle arrow thingy is broken now too - it just sits on the letter 'E' all the time. "

Hello people? What happend to common sense and RTFM? Yeah you can turn off the option easy but why did it *have* to be enabled in the first place? It is much easier to just leave everything at the 'defaults' and not worry about it.

"Sure the PB was called 'Usama Bin Laden to attack the United States' but it really didn't mean anything. By the way in our war on the real terrorists we just detained another author from Australia and denied a work visa to a musician from China."

yeah - works for me.











Not!

>>>I wish more companies would provide these mechanisms, given the complexities of the code and the number of things most of us have running having to manually check that we have the latest drivers for, let me see, my MoBos various parts, A/D converter, video card, soundcard and shuttle controller is a right royal pain.<<<

You will probably love SP2 for XP.

I will not have it on my screen.
I don't want it before my scene.

I don't want pops of any kind.
They trouble and annoy my mind.

Things that POP before, be damned.
I do not want them Tor I am.

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Sorry Tor,

No disrespect intended.
It's just that your subject line resonated as Dr. Suess to me, so I couldn't help myself. Hope you can see the humor without taking it personally.

-Rex

Edit:
Dang. I didn't read all the thread. Should have known Buster K would have beaten me to the punch on this. (BK, we seem to have similar sense of humor. Your "rub sticks" is still way up there.)

Just wanted to say I posted my version before reading all the rest.

I actually sat here and read all the previous comments. If I had allowed my fingers to respond contemporaneously, this thread would be double its already bloated size.

In the end, I find that my emotions have run the gamut, and, truly, I have nothing much to add - you all have said it all.

Slightly OT, however, is my surprise that pop-ups (or any form of internet advertising, for that matter) persists at all - or am I the truly out-of-step wierdo?

I mean, does anyone, anywhere actually look at internet advertising?

In addition to this fourm, I have several favorites that are part of Yahoo. You browse the topic list, click to open the topic that interests you, and some intermediate screen appears with an ad - you have to click a second time to "continue to message" in order to have a look at the topic. Clicking the back button to get back to the list of topics forces you to navigate once again through that intermediate screen.

No question about how annoying this is, but, what amazes me is that, while I can vaguely recall some of the design elements of that advertising page, I couldn't begin to recall even one company or product that is marketed there. Obviously, someone or some entity has invested real dollars to develop and pay for the presentation - right? Am I the only one who never reads this stuff? Is anyone anywhere ever motiviated to actually purchase something as a result of this sort of advertising?

I'm sitting here at my wife's computer - it seems to be invaded by pop-ups. Somehow, I have freed my own personal machine of those pesky things, but hers is throwing them up several times a minute. I find that I can right-click them in the task bar and close them before they even have a chance to open - and that's exactly what I do. How then, would anyone ever justify spending real dollars to advertise this way?

Not mad, Just curious.

Caruso

I agree, as far as I can see pop ups and spam are titally useless for generating revenue. I think with spam it goes without saying. The problem with pop ups is that without them how do these sites pay for themselves?
Maybe we'd all better be quite or those things we take for granted as free will start costing us money.

I understand what you're saying - I'm glad my Yahoo forum doesn't cost me - and, while a nuisance, having to continually navigate past that ad is a small enough price to pay - but, I'm still left wondering what value the advertiser realizes from the money he/she/it spends on that type of advertising.

In a couple of years of following the threads in that forum, I don't recall one single brand name - and, obviously, that ad hasn't moved me to purchase, either on or off line.

I still don't get it.

Caruso

Far from being annoyed by net notify, I'm thankful for the hint about ACID 4f. Somehow they didn't notify me, although Net Notify is turned on.
You get all sorts of crap over the net, advertising updates is among the few things welcome to me.
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