I'd report your experience to Boris.

I've just tried BCC+DeNoise ML on a couple of 4K events in VP21b187 - no crash. As mentioned by Reyfox, timeline playback is very sluggish.

But first impressions are that this is a very good VFX.

https://forum.borisfx.com/c/continuum/23 Post a post here, and Boris officials will reply to you soon.
 

Slow as molasses. Result was very impressive. Boris knows it and recommended turning off for timeline work and suggested rendering and replacing. I think they were demonstrating in Premier..

Any NR plugin is going to be slow by nature, especially AI powered.

I've just been trying this & am quite impressed with it, the slow playback & render speed doesn't surprise me at all but no crash.

This 32sec UHD clip took approx 14mins with Magix AVC & with Voukoder.

@IAM4UK can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & fill in your Signature with the full name of your CPU, GPU & amount of RAM, also inc the Windows & Vegas version, this will then show at the bottom of your comments, 👍

Boris FX is keenly aware of the performance of DeNoise ML. That is why, for the moment, they recommend enabling it after doing all your editing. I was told that there will be performance improvements in the future. Which "future" is anyone's guess.

But I have to say, one click and WOW!!! But then, my footage isn't that noisy to begin with.

@Gid, thanks for the Task Manager screenshot. I see the same "spiking" with the GPU and lots of CPU usage. So it's not just an AMD GPU "thing".

@IAM4UK It works, and no crash on my system. I waited for a Black Friday sale on the Boris Continuum update, unfortunately I had to pay an extra re-instatement fee as I skipped one year 😞, Also, showing prices without the tax until you have to pay is also an unwelcome non European way of luring business, forbidden in Belgium. Enough rant, I wanted to get some better noise reduction such as Neat Video (I tried the latest demo), was tempted by the recent neat Video post from @Grazie, but decided to go for an update on Boris. The new ML noise reduction from Boris is very easy to use, and gives at first glance comparable results to neat video. Also definitely improved versus Boris own standard denoise. I must say neat video; at least the demo version with reduced output size denoise treatment - (see green square - not full HD) is fast compared to Boris which is very slow.

Attached here is a Vegas timeline screenshot of a red deer 4K shot in almost darkness with Sony RX10M4 at 600 mm tele rendered before in Vegas 21 into FHD once with Neat Video demo (Left side with the green square) and rendered out once in FHD with BCC+ Denoise ML (Right side). On the Left side you can still see the original grain beyond the green square of the demo. I have added a split screen with a small shift to show the same deer in both timeline at once.

I waited for a Black Friday sale on the Boris Continuum update, unfortunately I had to pay an extra re-instatement fee as I skipped one year

@bitman Hi, I was late on an upgrade expecting to have to pay full price or some kind of 'extra'. but I use the chat window on Boris's page for my purchases & asked for their best price, I was given n paid the reg update price.

@Gid, way back when Boris units were a part of Vegas Suites, I was having a problem with one of the plugins. Emailed with Boris back and forth. And then, I received an email to get Continuum Complete, since I had a few Boris plugins. The price that they offered, I couldn't dismiss, and bought in. Now, been updating for the last few years. They seem to never stop pushing forward.

@Reyfox  Yep, they seem a decent company, from my experience 'ask n you'll receive'. (within reason) 👍

I recently had a problem, they weren't helpful but the problem wasn't clear so I'm not surprised they didn't have an immediate fix, I sorted it in the end after a loooong post of many prob confusing comments, the final reply was polite & appreciative 👍 This is that post, you don't need to read it all 😏😂 https://forum.borisfx.com/t/mocha-standalone-not-loading-ui/17640/12

Thanks for the replies. I of course emailed BorisFX before ever asking here on the VEGAS Pro forum, but I have not received a reply from them yet. Busy time of year...
It appears my crashes are abnormal, as none of the folks on this thread have had them. That's important data for me, as I try to troubleshoot.
Do any of you fine folks also use Intel ARC graphics card? That card's drivers was giving me lockups when I updated VP21 to Build 187, and an Intel driver update stopped the hard-locking of my computer whenever I ran VP21. But maybe Intel ARC is again my issue...?

Nope... using AMD RX 6700XT with the latest AMD drivers.

@IAM4UK I asked this earlier, can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & fill in your Signature with the full name of your CPU, GPU & amount of RAM, also inc the Windows & Vegas version, this will then show at the bottom of your comments, 👍

@IAM4UK I asked this earlier, can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & fill in your Signature with the full name of your CPU, GPU & amount of RAM, also inc the Windows & Vegas version, this will then show at the bottom of your comments, 👍

Yes, I did that.

Just a question as I usually try to avoid noisy footage, but if you do have to use a denoiser, is it best to add the denoiser in Vegas in the beginning of the OFX chain or as the last one in the chain, bearing in mind I usually use 4K footage to stabilize and zoom in to FHD screen format as project and output.

Or maybe even before pan&crop zoom in to FHD (and stabilize if needed).

And color correction, before or after denoiser?

Sharpening after the denoiser I suppose...

Interesting, so you are an Intel/Intel user (iGPU + ARC). We don't see many of those here.

I don't know if any other ARC users on this forum are using that Fx.

@bitman, I haven't personally experimented where to place the DeNoise in the effect chain. But the clips I tested on, it was at the end. I was also using Boris Magic Sharp and Vegas Upscale. I've done no color correction yet.

Update after more troubleshooting: This appears to be another case where Intel ARC is simply not ready for VEGAS Pro power-use. I uninstalled all the Intel GPU drivers, removed the ARC from my system, installed an old AMD 5600XT, installed the Pro Edition of the AMD drivers, set VEGAS Pro File I/O to use that AMD GPU, restarted, and tried the same 10-second clip test of BCC+ DeNoise ML.
Result: It successfully ran and rendered without hiccup. It took a few minutes to do just those 10 noisy seconds of 4k video, but the image was VERY impressive, considering the poor lighting I had in the scene.

Well, glad you at least know that DeNoise ML does work on your computer and does a great job albeit, slow rendering and zero chance of timeline playback with any respectable frame rates.

Personally, i wont be using this new feature. Way too slow for main stream workflows.... Will be sticking with Neat Video on this one, which not only improves in it's core features with each passing update but also improves in processing speed.

@Steve_Rhoden I fully understand anyone who is using NeatVideo, to stay with it. It is faster, much faster. My problem is, I rarely shoot anything that would require using any noise reduction plugin. If I had to, I have NeatVideo in another editor where i could do it there. But for a first try, DeNoise works with one click. Slow, yes. Slow rendering, oh yes. But when I wrote to one of the project managers in the Boris forum, they said the plugin is going to improve in performance.

So, it's included in Continuum Complete 2024, which I do have. The cost to get a copy of Neat (cross grade) for Vegas is almost the same as getting the update for Continuum.