Is there a need for rendering Direct To FFMPEG??

uk-andrew-c wrote on 11/3/2017, 9:00 AM

I had an issue recently with colours rendering to MP4, which I solved by rendering with FFMPEG, which has always been awkward.

Would an extension that rendered to FFMPEG, with the same ease as native Vegas, be useful to anyone?
e.g. Click>Select Template>Render.

Potential advantages are:

  • Smaller MP4 (about half the size of native Vegas)
  • HQ and 5.1 audio
  • Use AVISynth filters.
  • Other things that I don't know about

Comments

john_dennis wrote on 11/3/2017, 12:08 PM

"In general, I'm in favor of Vegas having the ability to use external encoders. Of course, rendering to a lossless intermediate is always an option. Bring lots of disk space."

He said, after spending most of the last month rendering to plain old Mainconcept AVC + PCM for Blu-ray and AVC/AAC for Internet uploads and mobile devices.  

Former user wrote on 11/3/2017, 1:58 PM

There is a script for vegas to use handbrake to render instead via of frame server. This is usually the preferred method for smallest , but highest quality file.Many people say this is the only way to get their cpu to run at 100% so efficient compared to lower percentage of cpu with Vegas doing encoding.

If you are using a GPU in vegas to speed up filters and plugins in VEGAS this still occurs in Vegas but the output is rendered by Handbrake all in real time. no need to create a large lossless intermediate before sending to handbrake. Ofcourse if the GPU processing is really intense due to partiular filter or sheer amount of filters you will still get a low CPU render in handbrake as Vegas will slow down it's frame serving to the encoder

 

uk-andrew-c wrote on 11/3/2017, 2:06 PM

Yes, but Vegas2Handbrake has stopped development, no disrespect meant but it's not easy to setup.

Former user wrote on 11/3/2017, 2:09 PM

Good point but it was very simple to get it working for Vegas14, I would hope it's the same proceedure for 15, and so quite easy if you follow a tutorial. Anyone got vegas2handbrake working on 15?

Kinvermark wrote on 11/3/2017, 3:32 PM

Take a look at this thread:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegasaur-ffmpeg-custom-commands--102104/

Summary (as I understand it) : Vegasaur is "almost" there for what you need. You would still need to make an intermediate, but then could put it on the timeline and render it.

 

uk-andrew-c wrote on 11/3/2017, 4:31 PM

That's why I'm asking this question, it is possible to frameserve and render to Handbrake or FFMPEG, but nothing with the same workflow as native renderers. So maybe no-one needs that, otherwise it would exist already.

Former user wrote on 11/3/2017, 5:11 PM

Well Vegas2Handbrake does exactly what you want. Just need to find out if people are successfully using it with vegas 15. It is the better option because as vegas process's the video using GPU it's also encoding with CPU. It's not a situation of having to make a huge processed intermediate in full & then encode that. Which is a hugely ineffecient workflow.

uk-andrew-c wrote on 11/3/2017, 5:17 PM

That's why I'm talking about Frameserving direct to FFMPEG within Vegas, without having to leave it.

altarvic wrote on 11/3/2017, 5:18 PM

As I understand, @uk-andrew-c wants to create a renderer that will render to FFMPEG using Vegas Render As dialog...

uk-andrew-c wrote on 11/3/2017, 5:51 PM

Thanks altarvic, for clarifying that ;-) That is the question; is such a workflow needed and would it be worth someone creating such a script or extension?

Former user wrote on 11/3/2017, 6:18 PM

I am sorry, english is not my 1st language. You are asking the community if there is interest in your creating thiis?

Yes very much so. As you say vegas2handbreak is buggy.

Thankyou for your service. Vegas needs a Constant Quality encoding mode such as handbrake & every other feature you could provide. You are a true hero

Kinvermark wrote on 11/3/2017, 9:05 PM

@uk-andrew-c

Well, at least you have attracted the attention of the one guy who might be able to do it.

@altarvic

By the way, thanks for the excellent mini update of Vegasaur. I find the quickrender function very useful when creating intermediates of stabilized footage. Any chance you could change that function a little to allow the addition of a filename suffix for a CUSTOM folder? ie I want to render P105678_mercalli.avi to a RAID drive for intermediates as opposed to the original media drive. :) :)

3d87c4 wrote on 11/4/2017, 1:35 AM

I'd be interested too.

 

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