Loose sharpness

relaxvideo wrote on 4/12/2017, 2:45 PM

I have an upside down gopro video. When i rotate it 180 degrees in event pan/crop, the video loose original sharpness, like adding a little blur. I can see it in preview window at best/full. Or save to png and compare it with irfanview rotated version..

Why? It doesn't matter if i use track fx or event fx.

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john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2017, 3:51 PM

Have you tried rotating the media in Properties?

Kinvermark wrote on 4/12/2017, 5:09 PM

Probably best to post a side by side image comparing the image sharpness before/ after rotation.  Ps - Lose not loose :)

relaxvideo wrote on 4/13/2017, 12:11 AM

So you don't believe me? :)

Here you are, clik on the picture: https://postimg.org/image/f1k02tytl/

John: that is the trick, thanks! But why event pan/crop does this?

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john_dennis wrote on 4/13/2017, 1:12 AM

I'm not sure. Glad it worked. I remember a bug from long ago where exact increments of 90 degrees would produce unexpected results, but my initial search hasn't produced the thread I wanted.

GJeffrey wrote on 4/13/2017, 1:53 AM

Confirmed with a 2160-25p XAVC 420 8bits footage (180 P/C is blurry compare to rotate media). GPU on or off same problem.

That's most probably a bug then.

set wrote on 4/13/2017, 2:23 AM

So you don't believe me? :)

Here you are, clik on the picture: https://postimg.org/image/f1k02tytl/

John: that is the trick, thanks! But why event pan/crop does this?

So the left one is Properties>Rotate, and the right one is rotating via event pan/crop ?

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relaxvideo wrote on 4/13/2017, 2:25 AM

yes

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Kinvermark wrote on 4/13/2017, 12:25 PM

Interesting.  What graphics card are you (and Gjeffrey) running?     I am using AMD 290 and not seeing this problem on my system.

Also, does it render this way or is just an artifact of the preview window?

 

relaxvideo wrote on 4/13/2017, 12:30 PM

i don't use any gpu acceleration, so graphic card doesnt matter here.

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Kinvermark wrote on 4/13/2017, 2:12 PM

The graphic card still drives your display.

It might be helpful for others to know the answer to my two questions:   which card, and does the problem appear in your final video render or just in the preview window?

Thanks.

 

GJeffrey wrote on 4/13/2017, 2:17 PM

GPU on or off, same issue. That's not the problem here.

I am using AMD 290 and not seeing this problem on my system.

Have you tried to composite (difference) both files on the timeline? Do you have a completely black preview?

john_dennis wrote on 4/13/2017, 3:06 PM

"Have you tried to composite (difference) both files on the timeline?"

I did.

"Do you have a completely black preview?"

I did.

I haven't tried it with interlaced media with various resample settings, yet.

GJeffrey wrote on 4/13/2017, 3:30 PM

Weird John.... I did exactly like you but end up with a difference.

Might be framerate related?

relaxvideo wrote on 4/14/2017, 6:51 AM

The graphic card still drives your display.

It might be helpful for others to know the answer to my two questions:   which card, and does the problem appear in your final video render or just in the preview window?

Thanks.

 


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NickHope wrote on 4/15/2017, 8:30 AM

I also see this issue in VP14 build 252. The file rotated 180 degrees by Event Pan/Crop is slightly softer than the file rotated by Media Properties (which is lossless). Easy to verify on the histogram. But it also occurs in VP12, so it dates back a long way. I guess that Event Pan/Crop does some sort of anti-aliasing and it's not clever enough to switch that off when the rotation is exactly 90/180/270 degrees.