My 113th AES review

Rednroll wrote on 10/8/2002, 6:47 PM

Well I have to say that Digidesign ruled the AES exibits with Protools. There was constantly a crowd around their booth with a captivated audience. Still no improvement on their CD assembly of tracks, outside of "Master List". They recommended another software solution on the MAC side that I was unfamiliar with. I said, I prefer the CD Architect/Vegas solution of being able to put track ID's on the timeline and burning straight to CD. A big question mark appeared on their face of "Vegas? Sonic Foundry who?"

Cakewalk's Sonar lead the pack on the PC side. Although, the improvements that stuck out to me the most, was that all their update features started to look a whole lot like Sonic Foundry's product line. They boasted about their "ACID" style of loop functionality. Their new editing features and user interface looked ALOT like Vegas.

After a couple of days of talking to many software vendors and hardware control surface manufacturers at the show, I had that feeling as many Vegas users do. Everytime I mentioned that I was an avid Vegas user, the big question mark always popped up. "Vegas? what is that?" So even the competition hardware developers, and software plugin developers don't even seem to recognize Vegas. The guys from Samplitude, where showing me an "event only" proceesing of effects features and boasted that they are the only software option that currently offers this option. My comment....."well it looks a lot like the same way Vegas is able to do this"......again..."really?...who's Vegas?" I got the same question mark from Digidesign, Waves, TC Works and Steinberg.

Sonic Foundry's presence at this convention was really missed. After all, anyone who is anyone is usually at this convention. Even Cool Edit Pro had a good display at this show and after attending their demo, it showed me how it pales in comparison to Vegas in many aspects. Steinberg was only demoing the new Nuendo 2.0 and showed nothing on the new Cubase SX. This was the first time I actually got to touch Nuendo, since I think they still don't have a Demo to release. It's the same editing style as Cubase, so that was enough to turn my stomach.

I believe Dave Chaimson of Sonic Foundry's marketing department attended the show. I'm hoping that was to see where Sonic Foundry needs to be for Vegas's image. If Vegas 4 implements many of the new Acid 4.0 features and get's hardware control surface support and attends these types of shows regularly then I think Vegas could be the star attraction and alot of us Vegas users wouldn't have to see that dazed stare with the question mark, when we mention we use Vegas for our audio needs.

Regards,
Red

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AudioMAN wrote on 11/8/2002, 8:04 PM

threads like this from rednroll are what encouraged my thread:

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/7/2002 11:24:36 PM

Lol!!! The word "clueless" comes to mind. Oh Peter...Please help me, I'm an incompitent twit, can you please tell me how to route signals so they go unmolested.

Peter, give him some real advice and tell him to find another job, because if he doesn't even know how to route signals digitally without effecting them, then there's really no hope for this boy wonder.

THEN THE NEXT 2 THREADS REALLY PISSED ME OFF:

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Nat (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 12:00:45 AM

I'd be interested by an answer, I'm a recording newbie and this info would help me,
Thanks
Reply

Subject: RE: Peter, routing question
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/8/2002 12:18:07 AM

Sorry Nat....you're a newby, but this guy has been recording for 10 years and still doesn't know the answer. Send me an email at REDNROLL@HOTMAIL.COM and I will tell you the answer.....for right now the suspence is gonna kill this expert......oh Please help me Peter......LOL!!!

Rednroll wrote on 11/9/2002, 1:22 PM

Oh Peter, Please help me....that big bad red is way too knowledgeable for me to debate with...Please come to my help and support my incompetitence.

Originally posted by Myst:
"AudioMAN, you're new here and it shows.
BTW, what great advice did you give in the 5 or 6 threads you've posted the same reply to? Uhh, none!
Come back when you have intelligent things to write.
Hey wait! Is that you, JoeD??"

Good Call Myst. I thought it was either JoeD or Pipeline. Pipeline's done this one in the past, where he creates a new user, so it looks like he has a posse behind him. And again, here's another "newly" created username and the only posts they've made is to come in here and bash my posts.....ewwwwww...the drama again. What's is this Pipeline? Not smart enough to convince other people that your "opinions", that have no facts behind them hold water, so you keep creating other users to look like a lot of people are on the same page as you? I called you out the first time you tried this, why don't you come up with something original for once? Oh!!!, you're one of those engineers with no creativity....isn't that special, no wonder you still make $10/hr working for someone else and come in here to vent you're frustrations.

JoeD wrote on 11/9/2002, 11:56 PM

Excuse me Rednchops?

You thought it was who? You'll KNOW when it's me genius.

I don't know or care what this part of the thread is about, but leave my name out of your assumptions, ok kiddo? End of this discussion.

Get off Pipelines ass as well. You're reaching now.

JoeD

AudioMAN wrote on 11/10/2002, 8:27 AM

What a tiny little mind, to think that only the reciepiants are bothered by your need to offend and insult those seeking knowlege. My last threads were written to state my disdain for your use of this forum to vent personal feelings re: other users whom you may have "issues" with, that is what email and chat rooms are for, get it out of your system, once and for all, don't fight like a girl, in a forum. And also in my last threads I wanted to commend those with the stamina and dedication to continue gaining wisdom, in spite of jerk-offs like you and myst. It is hard enough to find knowlege and "correct and accurate" information in our biz, there aren't many sources to get the education, especially at the level PipelineAudio is at, one must put in alot of time and effort and seek out those who have the "correct" info we need. I think that's why most of us are here, to seek info, NOT to contend with "farts in the wind", like you two. IF YOU'RE NOT HELPING, YOU'RE IN THE WAY. My appolgies to all who may have found my threads troublesome, but I have been reading the forum for awhile, getting tons of info without even having to post, but friggin' rednroll, has been buggin' the hell out of me with his BULL$HIT attitudes, and his willingness to use this forum, instead of privately voicing, his objections and complaints with PipelineAudio. I finally snapped and had to relay this. Unfortunately, I have completely resorted to thier mindless antics, which I will discontinue as of now, AS LONG AS rednroll, USES THE FORUM FOR IT'S INTENDED PURPOSES, TO ALLOW Sonic Foundry to get feedback on their products and TO GIVE US ALL A COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS AND CONSULT WITH OTHERS USING THESE SAME PRODUCTS.

Chienworks wrote on 11/10/2002, 8:40 AM

And AudioMAN is using this forum for ... ? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

JoeD wrote on 11/10/2002, 9:09 PM

What ChowWok?
What? What are YOU using it for now?

I dunno this guy from Adam, but it took only one reading and I know exactly how he used it...to help verify what many of people feel dealing with the hack "Dolby Boy" Reddinsmell here.
THAT IS HELP AS WELL...just not your kind I'm guessing.

As many others have in the past...he nailed this one on the head.

JoeD

PipelineAudio wrote on 11/10/2002, 9:12 PM

No doubt! Another sane voice or two!

inspector wrote on 11/13/2002, 11:31 AM

One of my favorite lines from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the movie not the rip-off TV show: "Sounds like somebody is way past medication time".

Have any of the "professionals" here ever heard of the principle of "Agreeing to Disagree"? From the behaviors that I have seen here, I have a suggestion: If you are on medication, maybe you ought to quit and if your not on medication maybe you should start.

Steve

drbam wrote on 11/13/2002, 11:41 AM

<<If you are on medication, maybe you ought to quit and if your not on medication maybe you should start.
Steve >>

I couldn't agree more Steve. Unfortunately, the problem is that some of these threads indicate such a severe degree of psychopathology that in addition to anitpsychotic medication, some form of residential treatment would probably be required as well. ;-)

drbam

PipelineAudio wrote on 11/13/2002, 12:16 PM

inspector and drbam you guys are real funny, but really. What would you have me do ?
I asked some questions about vegas. Is that so bad? Go see who starts this EVERY time, go back 2 or three years and see who starts this EVERY time. Look even recently, I frequently try to steer stuff back to friendly territory, so dont go blaming me for asking questions about software.

MyST wrote on 11/13/2002, 12:24 PM

One question Pipeline.
Why haven't you just used "ignore this user"?

M

PipelineAudio wrote on 11/13/2002, 12:35 PM

you know, thats a great idea! so it shall be done. Every once in a while he seemed to stop attacking so I never wanted to completely block it out, but I guess you are right

drbam wrote on 11/13/2002, 1:06 PM

<<inspector and drbam you guys are real funny, but really. What would you have me do ? I asked some questions about vegas. Is that so bad? Go see who starts this EVERY time, go back 2 or three years and see who starts this EVERY time. Look even recently, I frequently try to steer stuff back to friendly territory, so dont go blaming me for asking questions about software.>>

I personally am not blaming nor attacking you or anyone else. I was actually responding with a bit of humor (notice I used a ;-) in my post to try and make that clear). But since you are asking for advice, I would encourage you to just ignore those who attack you. The more you (and others) engage the attack/defense dialog, the more absurd it gets and it ALWAYS ends up in the same place: with a bunch of frustrated forum users and wasted time by some people who could really be helping each other rather than . . . well the same old crap. It reminds me of a useful definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results." With this said, I will repeat that I'm grateful for the help I've received from you and many others on the list. Otherwise I wouldn't bother putting up with this stuff.

drbam

MyST wrote on 11/13/2002, 1:21 PM

definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results."

LOL!!
Love It!
You owe me a new keyboard...I just spit coffee all over mine!

M

inspector wrote on 11/13/2002, 2:34 PM

Pipeline,

As a former therapist I never tell people what they should or shouldn't do.
I am in no way taking sides in any of this but I do think that the whole thing is very childish and unprofessional; not that anyone should care what I think.

Generally speaking and addressing no-one in particular, I'll share some of my experience.

I will say that it "takes two to Tango". If I don't want to dance, I stay off the dance floor but not out of the nightclub. If I am in a room with 100 people in it and 1 doesn't like me, I forget about the 99 and focus on the one.

I had an ex-wife that I was very angry with because she told some serious lies about me around town. I couldn't change her so I decided to change me. When I felt angry with her about something, I would say to myself, "My you be free of suffering and may you be at peace". It is much harder to have compassion for an enemy than a friend.

"Why can't we all just get a bong?"
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Steve