<<I don't need to read anything. PROFIT drives Apple.>>

And that's what makes Apple so very different from all other computer companies ;-)

"And that's what makes Apple so very different from all other computer companies ;-)"

That's the point. It's not different... as jr is trying to make us believe. Apple isn't really a "computer company" either. It's more of a gadget company which makes a boatload more money on its cell phones than it ever has on computers.

> Posted by: Rob Franks "That's the point. It's not different... as jr is trying to make us believe. "

Yea, I just read this morning that Apple is firing all of it's engineers and replacing them with accountants so that they can cut out the middle man and focus solely on profits. ;-)

> Posted by: Rob Franks "Apple isn't really a "computer company" either. It's more of a gadget company which makes a boatload more money on its cell phones than it ever has on computers. "

...and the 64-bit iPhone 5s is not a computer how?

The "computer" is dead. The "gadget" is the new computer.

~jr

>>>Actually, Macs are for people who don't care to become system administrators and just want to be productive. If you like micro-managing your computer then don't get a Mac because you'll have nothing to do and will be quite bored.<<<<

No, I hate micromanaging. My point was that unlike Macs, PC just works providing you know what to buy. My last workstation was bought in December of 2011. Not a single crash, that's over 2 years without a crash.

It runs Fusion, Softimage, Samplitude and all of Sony's and Adobe's programs without any problems. That is what I prefer to use, Macs will only run Adobe's. I don't really want to use $hit like Garage Band or whatever garbage Apple forces you to use. Options my friend, that's what it's all about. Sure, if you are happy with 3 pro apps you can run on a Mac it probably works, but that's like North Korea, if your follow the party line it also just works, some of us like to be a little more flexible.

Maybe you should try Fusion on a decent PC and something like Samplitude as a DAW. Then you'd see what kind of garbage you have been using all this time.

> Posted by: deusx "Maybe you should try Fusion on a decent PC and something like Samplitude as a DAW. Then you'd see what kind of garbage you have been using all this time."

Actually, I use Pro Tools on my Mac. I also use Sony Sound Forge for Mac. I only use GarageBand for composing because, as I said, I can use it on my iPad or iPhone wherever I might be to quickly capture my ideas because it allows me to be extremely productive. Then when I'm ready to do my full recordings I use Pro Tools. It would be cool to have Pro Tools for iPad though. ;-)

~jr

"enjoy the process of reloading my OS and apps every 2 - 3 years"

I'd wonder how many Mac users successfully keep their system going for longer than that without repair or replacement?

<<I'd wonder how many Mac users successfully keep their system going for longer than that without repair or replacement? >>

We purchased our Mac Pro desktop in 2005 and I've never reloaded the software, had a repair issues, etc. (In the interest of disclosure it's only seen light use for DVD authoring).

I've found this thread amusing – such divergent viewpoints, and this demographic breakdown may help explain them: http://osxdaily.com/2011/04/21/mac-vs-pc-users-profile/

"...and the 64-bit iPhone 5s is not a computer how?"

Wow... reaching or what?

When someone wants to borrow your 5s to make a call do they ask for your "phone" or your "computer"?

Just about everything has a computer of some form in it these days... and that includes cars. But GM is definitely a CAR manufacturer and has never been refereed to as a "computer company".

"Actually, I use Pro Tools on my Mac"

I have pro tools as well. It is an old, tired, and sad program. Avid is desperately trying to save it by opening it up to audio cards other than their own (the new pro tools version) Heck... they have even included a 7.1 panner in the new version to try and gain some attention (Unfortunately it gain mine and I got sucked into buying it). I say too little, too late and if it wasn't for the fact that it's a part of your average Hollywood editor's work bench it would die the same death Avid Liquid did.

I have an Android phone (Galaxy Note III) and I use it to run apps MUCH more often than I make phones calls. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pocket computer that also happens to make phone calls.

well, it's pretty crappy phone, terrible as a computer and horrendous as a camera.

I fail to see the point.

"I have an Android phone (Galaxy Note III) and I use it to run apps MUCH more often than I make phones calls. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pocket computer that also happens to make phone calls. "

And you can call a car a submarine if you really want by that won't change the fact that it's a car.

The Galaxy note is seen by its very own makers as a "smartphone", not a "pocket computer". Samsung itself over the years has been officially recognized as an
"electronics company",
"information technology company",
"Heavy industry company",
"Engineering company",
"Trading company",
"Life Insurance Company".... and a few others. But rarely on any official level has Samsung ever been known as a "computer company"... even though most of what they put out contains some kind of computer.

Once again... Apple is not a "computer company". It certainly tried to be at one time but failed. It is know today as a gadget company (officially a "consumer electronics company")

WIKI:
Apple was founded by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, and Ronald Wayne on April 1, 1976 to develop and sell personal computers. It was incorporated as Apple Computer, Inc. on January 3, 1977, and was renamed as Apple Inc. on January 9, 2007 to reflect its shifted focus towards consumer electronics.

> Posted by: Rob Franks "Wow... reaching or what?"

Really? OK, let's talk about the iPod. What is that then? I can surf with a web browser. I can compose Word documents and PowerPoint presentations and Excel spreadsheets with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers respectively. I can edit video with iMovie or photos with iPhoto. How is that NOT a computer? Oh yea, then I add a cellular chip to it and I call it an iPhone and suddenly it's not a computer anymore?

I find it strange that we continue to call these devices "smart phones". They are portable computers that now have cellular chips in them. The fact that they make phone calls is maybe 10% of their use case.

> Posted by: Rob Franks "Just about everything has a computer of some form in it these days... and that includes cars. But GM is definitely a CAR manufacturer and has never been refereed to as a "computer company"."

A car is not a computer. A car contains a computer. An iPad, iPod, iPhone is first and foremost a computer. An Andriod tablet or Andriod phone is a computer. They don't "contain" a computer. That's what they are.

Unless you believe that Tablets are not computers?

~jr

"Really? OK, let's talk about the iPod. What is that then? I can surf with a web browser. I can compose Word documents and PowerPoint presentations and Excel spreadsheets with Pages, Keynote, and Numbers respectively. I can edit video with iMovie or photos with iPhoto. How is that NOT a computer? Oh yea, then I add a cellular chip to it and I call it an iPhone and suddenly it's not a computer anymore?"

Let's not go too far off base here. I never said apple didn't make computers. It does. What I said was that Apple is not a "computer company"

For the third time....
Apple is not a "computer company". It certainly tried to be at one time but failed. It is know today as a gadget company (officially a "consumer electronics company")

WIKI:
Apple was founded by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, and Ronald Wayne on April 1, 1976 to develop and sell personal computers. It was incorporated as Apple Computer, Inc. on January 3, 1977, and was renamed as Apple Inc. on January 9, 2007 to reflect its shifted focus towards consumer electronics.

I hope you guys keep going. Learning nothing new, but I love this thread.......


Ted

> Posted by: Rob Franks "I never said apple didn't make computers. It does. What I said was that Apple is not a "computer company""

OK, I thought you were trying to say that Apple didn't make computers and I was trying to point out that everything it makes is a computer. They are clearly a consumer electronics company which is why the dropped the word "computer" from their name (and got sued by the Beatles' record label in the process). I'm not sure why any of this matters.

~jr

Rob, I don't care what it's called, I use my "phone" primarily as a computer. In fact, I often plug it into a 1080p display via HDMI and use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you'd be pretty hard pressed to call it anything but a computer. I do not use my car as a computer.

I'd posit that a typical car is probably 99% NOT computer and 1% computer, while a typical "smart phone" is 99% computer and 1% NOT computer.

my car behaves like a computer, but getting out and then back in seems to keep it working reasonably well ;-)

"Rob, I don't care what it's called, I use my "phone" primarily as a computer. In fact, I often plug it into a 1080p display via HDMI and use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and you'd be pretty hard pressed to call it anything but a computer. I do not use my car as a computer."

I'm well aware of what a galaxy can do. I have one. But at any rate, I would suggest your argument is with Samsung and not with me. Give them a call and tell them they should rename your smartphone a computer. And please... do let us all know how it goes ;)

And yes you do use your car as a computer every single time you drive it. You are simply unaware of how many computerized instructions you're sending the processor every time you step on the gas.

Rob, I am not the least bit unaware of how many instructions are being executed in a car when I step on the gas. I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, a smartphone is indeed a "computer" in all practical uses of the word. To me, a "computer" is a complete system with a display and some form of keyboard/mouse emulation along with storage and other I/O which can run any number of user-selected, third-party applications to accomplish a variety of different tasks. My smartphone absolutely qualifies, as of July 2013, there are more than one million applications available for Android in the Play Store. Even basic automobiles have at least 30 microprocessors and some luxury cars have as many as 100, yet I can not run my choice of software on them. However, this is about to change with an upcoming firmware upgrade to the Tesla S, it currently runs a custom Linux OS and they are about to add the ability to run native Android apps. Android itself is an operating system based on the Linux kernel.

I kinda liked this from Rob: "I'm well aware of what a galaxy can do. I have one.

Perilously close to omnipotence? - Yeah, I know.... I realise that this "galaxy" is a car. Lol!

Grazie