Hey Spot...how about this for the first V6 Contest?

The best TopTen intro, in the spirit of those on the Late Show?


(I usually don't respond to my own posts, but I'm feeling particularly schizophrenic today.)

Geez Spot, you're a master at twisting "facts". The point you claim that Nightline is the top rated late night news show is deceptive since Nightline is the ONLY network news show on at late night. So its both the best and worst... its the only such show on late night. Both Letterman and Leno that are on at the same time on the other two major broadcast networks cream it, which is why Koppel is being shown the door.

Huge show? Its late night. There are no huge shows. Of all the people watching TV late night only 1.7 million tune into Nightline unless there happens to be a major breaking story then the numbers go up. So sure, interesting that the producers of a dying show that likely will get the ax after Koppel leaves or have a major face lift uses Vegas, but lets keep it in reality. If one of the major broadcast networks used Vegas in their major evening news broadcast that would be news. So would if one of the major news magazines shows like 60 minutes or Dateline both on in prime time, used Vegas, but AFAIK they don't.

billyboy, " I see things how they are. Positive, negative, netural" ???? all you did was post old news, Ted's leaving Nightline, ABC news is really "old" news. Its been a topic of discussion for over four years, in the "network news" gossip.

Vegas being used at Nightline and they were using Vegas 6 in a daily production is news for the forum.

If Jay Z sells more albums than Yo Yo Ma?

Ever since Letterman moved to 11:30 Nightline has had to go up against two entertainment heavyweights. Yet 12 years later, it's still here? Why is that. One is their audience is valued by advertisers and the other is their audience is still huge. It's not 1.7 million.

Nightline is seen by 3.8 million people a night which means in the past week more people have seen something edited in Vegas, than in practically Vegas's entire history.

EDIT: The WSJ has an story from this month that puts the audience at 3.7 million.

I think it is a very good read and very interesting - thank you for sharing ...

it is more than JUST a foot in the door also - to bigger things to come... (also a bit of slap at avid - notwithstanding)

This sounds interesting "...The DVI monitoring function is important for examining critical details in a shot when only a small CRT monitor is connected." Sounds like we can use DVI output as a preview source. First I've heard of this feature!

BJM as always, straight to the point. DSE, thanks for the interesting article about vegas in use! Future posts about the eyecandy should be fun, eyecandy is always serious work, though fun to view!

> If one of the major broadcast networks used Vegas in their major evening news broadcast that would be news.

One of the major broadcast networks IS USING VEGAS! Who cares if it’s the evening news or not. The foot is in the door. This is a HUGE step forward for Sony Vegas getting the credit it deserves. How long do you think it will be until the other NBC shows like Dateline and 60 Minutes see what Nightline is doing with Vegas and follow suite? (i.e., having one tool that does what they use to rely on several tools and departments to do, saving money on productions costs, faster turnaround times, etc.) IMHO, this is a major breakthrough for Vegas.

C’mon Billy, admit it. Aren’t just a little bit happy inside for Vegas? ;-)

~jr

OK, I was warned and I didn't bite. Although I'm posting this reply, I've withstood the temptation to read any of the posts. I came, I didn't read, I posted. Veni, non vidi, vinci.

The point that sails over the heads of some is a big so what? I don't buy software because Nightline uses it. I buy software BECAUSE it works for ME for what I want to use it for. Period.

What I see in this forum over and over is some sillyness over how much name recognition matters and influences buying decisions. It does of course, but why should it matter? I buy software not because of who may be using it, rather I've bought Vegas and continue to upgrade simply because its a pretty damn good editor and I would still buy it if no "name" enity used it.

What's really being said (its been hinted at before in this forum) is some are so self-conscious about what clients or would be clients think of them, that if they found out you use Vegas, somehow they will think less of you. So if you can point to some outfit they may know that also uses Vegas, then like magic that translates to you also making a better product. Not!

Well, shoot, Spot. When were you in town? I work a few blocks from the ABC News building.

Rob

What's really being said (its been hinted at before in this forum) is some are so self-conscious about what clients or would be clients think of them, that if they found out you use Vegas, somehow they will think less of you. So if you can point to some outfit they may know that also uses Vegas, then like magic that translates to you also making a better product. Not!

Sadly - BB, that's how some clients are. Just the way it is. So I say, Hey, let BIG time places use it, and when you've got those clients - as I'm sure many of us have had (not to mention the competition that might badmouth your software because it's not an "industry standard") - This gives us something to point out to them. And so what if it makes us feel better about ourselves. It's like being FAT and being skinny - some people care what you look like and some don't, but they don't put fat ugly models on advertising to tell you something is sexy (usually ;) ). Though it shouldn't matter what we look like, what we use, etc... it just simply does, and nothing will change that no matter how long we're around. Image is important to people, whether it should be or not.

I can appreciate your desire to remind us that image shouldn't be important BB, but in reality it makes a difference. I would suggest that when you tell us, you try and do so in a less confrontational way, no matter what it's refering to, and once you've told us, you've told us, and we know.

BTW - pmasters - can't slueth what aint there, but I'll keep trying ;)

Spot - thanks for the compliment - I'll keep putting my sluething skills to use, and someday I may find something that even you didn't know ;)

No offense to anyone, Have a good one.

Dave

Name recognition is important !

Vegas being used at ABC is a good argument I can tell to my boss to convince him to invest in Vegas instead of Avid. This means I could eventually edit on the platform I like as a day job which makes a huge difference for me.

Besides, anyone who really wants to continue to use Vegas in the future should care about it getting accepted in mainstream editing circles. That's the only way to keep it from ultimately dying a miserable death, abandoned on the side of the road like so many other innovative software applications.

Sony has been very patient and supportive since acquiring Vegas from Sonic Foundry. But, bet your bottom dollar, if it fails to increase in market share, Sony will eventually abandon it or sell it off.

So I take this as an excellent indicator that Vegas' future is looking very bright.

Actually that isn't true either. Sony hasn't exactly been very supportive of Vegas, or all of their divisions would be pulling back from supporting of third party competing products. They haven't according to recent threads. Look, Sony is a GIANT corporation. I doubt word has got out to all the managers in the company they they even bought SonicFoundy or that the majority would care. Besides, the way some carry on in this forum I thought these "professionals" were main stream. You saying no?

Market share doesn't increase just because somebody else uses a product, its the worth of the product that matters. Build a better mouse trap and the world will come knocking at your door. With the muscle Sony has, its done compartively little to make Joe Average aware of Vegas or its lessor brother. If the top executive really wanted to push the SonicFoundy line, they would have started to bundle the software with their cameras by now. If they have, I haven't seen any advertising to suggest they have. I've seen or or two package deals being promoted but nothing earth shaking.

The truth is if Sony REALLY wanted to push Vegas and other products they would have dropped maybe 50 million or so in some SERIOUS advertising campaign. They have increased their presence at trade shows, but Joe Average doesn't go to trade shows. I frequenlty vist retail computer electronics stores. Often I may strike up a conversation with those looking at camera, video editing software. Few know of Vegas. Most have head of Final Cut Pro, and the two "P" packages. So Sony could be doing a lot more if it wanted to. My guess is from a corporate standpoint, not the narrow view from Winsonsin, they don't want to, read that to mean they got much bigger fish to fry and that's a heathly does of reality. Sony isn't know for branded software. Its main business is consumer and professional electronics or HARDWARE, not software.

Thanks for the article Frigid, it was a nice read. I think this is a good step for Vegas. Too bad I haven't seen the same type of thing on the audio side user aspects.

It's also pretty humorous to me to see how Nightline falls outside of the NDA.

"With the new Media Manager, the NIGHTLINE crew can quickly locate media related to the project,"

"The DVI monitoring function is important for examining critical details in a shot when only a small CRT monitor is connected."

"Additionally, the nested project ability is a very useful feature for the NIGHTLINE team. This allows various team members to assemble packages, and then drop those packages into a master timeline for final output"

Well, I guess those are some pretty substancial rumour killers as to some of the things we can expect to see in Vegas 6 huh?

Thanks Red
Too bad I haven't seen the same type of thing on the audio side user aspects. - I'm sure they've got some stuff for you too ;)

It's also pretty humorous to me to see how Nightline falls outside of the NDA. - I think I'm dense here, I don't get it. - Sorry

Dave

BB
1. Average Joe is not looking for a $1000 video editing package
2. By making statements like "narrow view from Winsonsin" ( I cut and pasted so notice your spelling error ) you yourself will continue to appear as if it was your view that's narrow

Dave, Red's point is that if Nightline's editors were working under the same NDA as other beta testers then much of the information in that article shouldn't have been published. We found out a lot of things from them that other testers aren't allowed to reveal.

Heck, technically beta testers aren't even allowed to reveal that they're beta testing! That would give away the fact that the new version is near completion.

NDA = non disclosure agreement

Hope that explains it.

That I Know - how is Nightline not under it? - that I don't

Chein - how do you know that they're not supposed to say, hmmmmmmmmmmm... ;)

Also, I think you'll notice that the article is not linked to from VASST - I put it up before it was supposed to come out. - hence the sluething - they may well be under an NDA as would be spot. Nevertheless, I posted the story before it was supposed to be out. :)

Dave