marco, I posted that just a minute before you did. But you are correct.

Ahh, I think I discovered the problem, in order for the Keyboard ALT-NUM 4 or 6 to work, you have to be in the expanded layer edit mode. It does not work in normal edit mode.

Excellent! Now how do I get into expanded Edit mode?

I don't recall ever having to do that in the past where that would likely be going back to VP5 or VP6.

The easiest way is to double click on the edge of an event. Do the same to collapse.

The easiest way is to double click on the edge of an event. Do the same to collapse.

I'll try that out when I get back in front of my laptop, but that would kind of defeat the purpose of using keyboard short-cuts, if I have to click with the mouse to use those keyboard short-cuts huh?

Maybe this is another assignment task for AHK if using the mouse is the only way to get into the expanded edit mode to use this functionality.

You can get to it other ways, I just always use the mouse.

Numpad 5 does same thing. I just tried re-assigning numpad 5 to Shift+Cursor up and use this in the 46-AHK script. It works fine, though you need to re-select the Event.

This is really the 1st time I've heard of expanded edit mode. Is this the same thing as trim edge mode? I've tried that if that is the case. If you press NUM keys 7/9 that puts you in trim edit mode when you have an event selected.

Here's what I found in the owner's manual.

"Expanded edit mode Expanded edit mode takes the best of edge-trimming and A/B-roll editing to provide a fast, accurate method of trimming events.  

1. Select the event you want to edit.  

2. Perform any of the following actions to enter expanded edit mode:  l Choose Edit > Select > Enter Expanded Edit Mode.  l Press 5 on the numeric keypad.  l Double-click the event edge. In expanded edit mode, a red bracket is displayed to indicate which event edge will be trimmed, and the track is displayed in an A/B roll: events before the edit point are displayed in the A roll and subsequent events are displayed on the B roll. Additional frames available for editing are shown on the other side of the edit point:"

If you press the "[" or ']" on your keyboard or NUM 7/9 on the keypad, a red bracket is displayed to indicate which event edge will be trimmed. That seems to be the same thing to me which I tried previously when attempting to perform slip event editing with the keyboard.

If it's any consolation, I'm attempting to edit audio events where A/B roll editing has no real use that I'm aware.

Now this code seem to work:

#IfWinActive, ahk_exe vegas160.exe

+Up::Send {Numpad5}!0
+Left::Send !{Numpad4}
+Right::Send !{Numpad6}

Script running:

Shift+Cursor Up would enter (or leave) the Expanded Edit Mode and set the focus back to the timeline.

Shift+Cursor Left/Right would slip trim the Event edges

@Rednroll - Expanded Edit Mode? IMHO, Spawn of the Devil 👿! Tried for about a minute and then I needed to take long term therapy.

Just as some background information in regards to these editing functions I'm attempting to get setup and use. During Vegas Pro 1-6 developments I was a part of the beta team for Sonic Foundry/Sony with my main focus on the audio side features. At that time I was working in a recording studio which used AMS Neve Audiofile workstation editors. I did audio post sound design to video and radio/TV commercials.

A majority of these editing tools/techniques that are built into Vegas are based off of the Neve Audiofiles editing feature capabilities. Sonic Foundry/Sony were very interested in these type of editing workflows and the capabilities the Neve Audiofile provided. The reason being is that I informed them that we often did networked linked recording sessions where a voice over talent or music talent was at a remote studio and we were recording them at our studio or vise-versa. The majority of the time the remote studios were using ProTools while we were using the Neve Audiofiles for these sessions. A fun part of these sessions was that the recording of the talent was being done at both studios simultaneously where the multiple takes had to be edited together quickly to playback for the producers, so we often got into races of who could edit the voice over takes together the fastest. We would win 100% of the time using the audiofiles, where it got to the point the engineers using Protools would often say to me during the session, "Oh, yeah I'm working with RR Productions today where you guys have those Audiofiles, I'll just sit this one out and let you edit it together since I already know I can't keep up."

So this whole slip editing and edge trimming are just some of the editing features based off of the Neve Audiofile which was a $60K+ for 8 tracks of audio workstation.

I often use these particular tools for editing canned music and sound FXs tracks when putting audio to video. Especially music where you're often starting with a 2minute canned music track and slicing and dicing it down to 30 and 60 second versions. Typically you take the opening of the track, slice it somewhere in the middle, then slip edit the back half so the music remains on beat, until you have it cut down to a 30 second version. It's very tedious attempting to do this using cut and nudge editing techniques which was what the ProTools folks were having to do and the reason we worked so much faster than them. Once, you're comfortable using slip editing techniques it's hard going back to the cut and nudge way of editing.

Slide a transition or crossfade one pixel left/right (trim adjacent) = Ctrl+Alt+Numeric Keypad 4/6

This will be the next keyboard shortcut I may need some help on, since this is also a very important editing feature from the Neve Audiofile which helps to keep music track edits much more musical sounding.

@Rednroll - Yes, slip Edit it’s a great function/tool. But expanded edit mode, toggles Up and Down each Event and then switches again.

@Rednroll
"Slide a transition or crossfade one pixel left/right (trim adjacent) = Ctrl+Alt+Numeric Keypad 4/6"

This should be easy if the slip trimming now works. Did you try my corrected script version above?

@Rednroll
"Slide a transition or crossfade one pixel left/right (trim adjacent) = Ctrl+Alt+Numeric Keypad 4/6"

This should be easy if the slip trimming now works. Did you try my corrected script version above?

Not yet. Currently at work. Have to wait until I get home tonight to try it out. Looking forward to trying it out to see how it works.

Just a bit disappointed it's become this difficult to get to since I remember testing these out and providing feedback to the developers when they were originally being implemented. All in the name of progress I guess. :D

Curious to further explore how these things now function in the trimmer window since the trimmer window was another tool that was originally mirrored off of a function of the Neve audiofile.

In more recent versions of Vegas it was nice to see the different tool selections appear since these were always useful editing tools that many didn't use because they weren't obvious and were kind of hidden due to needing to press so many keyboard keys to make them show up. The different tool selections made them more obvious if you were editing with a mouse but they're much more precise when editing with the keyboard keys.

Was it that kind of Neve system Dave Grohl once bought from Sound City?

Was it that kind of Neve system Dave Grohl once bought from Sound City?

The studio I worked at had 6 audio post rooms which were dedicated to putting audio to video. Basically we got video in with no sound and we went to work from there. Those setups looked like the 1st pic below. The audiofile is the the screen on the right with the shuttle wheels and buttons. It was then integrated with the mixing console which was a Never Logic 1.

Then they had 9 rooms which strictly did radio (ie no video syncing) and each room had a floor standing audiofile, connected to a mixing console.

It was the box on the right mounted on a rolling floor stand:

So working with strictly buttons and shuttle scroll wheels and no mouse became a very comfortable and efficient way of working for me. That's what I'm currently trying to achieve with my home studio setup by using Vegas with the combo of the Behringer X-Touch One and the Numeric Keypad. The X-Touch one will give me all those transport buttons and a shuttle/scrub wheel and the keypad should be able to provide me direct access to all the other editing capabilities of the audiofile, especially now since you enlightened me with AHK. I can now move the s=Split button over to that keypad.

Unsure what Dave Grohl got from Sound City. I would tell you, if he was using it for Music production.....it wouldn't be my 1st choice but for recording and editing audio to sync with video, you could fly around on that thing once you got familiar with it.

Dave Grohl bought the Neve 8028 from Sound City and he uses it in his own music production house "Studio 606" now. Lots of analog gear in there. Not sure but I think some of the Foo Fighters stuff was produced that way.

Your studio looks modern. I see what you're trying to achieve. I think the hardest part would be replacing mouse-actions which seem to be pretty simple clicks and drags but which could be rather tricky to use with the right focus.

I'm sure there will always be mouse clicks to be performed but reducing most of them is what I'm trying to achieve.

Those left and right jog wheels really sped things up. I think this is where Vegas will fall short with it's MCU jog wheel support.

When in the timeline view, the left wheel allowed you to spin the wheel right/left and jump through the timeline where it would jump to the edge of each event as you scrolled the wheel. Vegas has that ability with keyboard key shortcuts, unsure with the jog wheel support through MCU control at this time.

The right jog wheel was multi functional depending on a button press selection. In one mode if you spun to the right it would adjust the playback speed through the time line forward or backwards. Vegas has that capability using the MCU jog wheel by controlling the playback rate slider in Vegas. Another mode was that you could place the cursor at the front/back of an event and trim the event edges using the jog wheel, then use arrow keys to move the event along the timeline. Vegas also has that capability using the MCU jog wheel and NUM 4/6 "Nudge" keyboard assignments. Another mode you could use with the AF right jog wheel was to place the cursor at the front/back of an event and perform a slip edit function with the jog wheel. It was kind of like using a fishing reel to wind in/out the audio while the event container remained at its current position on the timeline. If you tried out the slip edit function in Vegas with what I'm trying to currently achieve with the button short-cuts then it's easy to understand how that slip editing works. In the AF you would use the right jog wheel to slip the audio right/left. I don't believe Vegas has that capability with the MCU jog wheel....but as I continue to go through the Vegas MCU supported functions, it would be a pleasant surprise if it did. For now, I'll work with the keypad short-cuts you've been assisting me with which I plan on having sitting next to my Behringer MCU jog wheel controller. The other mode of the AF jog wheel was to place the cursor between 2 adjacent events at the edit point between them and slide the edit/cut point between the 2 events. I don't think Vegas has that capability with its Jog wheel MCU support where that is where the Slide a transition or crossfade one frame/pixel left/right (trim adjacent) = Ctrl+Alt+Numeric Keypad 4/6 keyboard short-cuts will come into play.

So Vegas pretty much has all those editing capabilities currently built into it. It's jog wheel support for all those functions is likely lacking in some ares but there are definitely keyboard shortcuts which should be able to be used in their place where they would be used with a right/left button press operation assignments instead of using a jog wheel right/left control motion.

I'm sure most of these editing functions are useful when editing video together as well where I'm looking forward to trying them out more while editing video since I'm currently working on some Youtube channel projects where I'm certain I will be looking for some assistance from you folks which much more video experience. :D As an example, I'm unsure what an A/B roll is and what it's used for at this time. ;)

Dave Grohl bought the Neve 8028 from Sound City and he uses it in his own music production house "Studio 606" now. Lots of analog gear in there. Not sure but I think some of the Foo Fighters stuff was produced that way.

Your studio looks modern. I see what you're trying to achieve. I think the hardest part would be replacing mouse-actions which seem to be pretty simple clicks and drags but which could be rather tricky to use with the right focus.

Ahhh..now that you mentioned 8028, that makes more sense to me. Yeah, that's just an analog mixing console. Neve was pretty well known for having great sounding mixing consoles, top of the line mic pres, etc. The Neve audiofile was more of a digital audio workstation where its main functions were focused on recording and editing audio where you had to then connect it to a mixing console.

Those pictures were not my studio. Just some common examples of the Neve audiofile setup that I used to work on at a studio I worked for in the past. That studio has since moved to ProTools due to the audiofiles lacking plugin support. They were still the best audio editors around, especially for syncing audio to video.

@Rednroll - Expanded Edit Mode? IMHO, Spawn of the Devil 👿! Tried for about a minute and then I needed to take long term therapy.

Oh my! I just tried Expanded Edit mode. I'm pretty confused how to even use it.

Here's the things I noticed.

1. You only go into expanded edit mode when you have a video event selected, not if you have an audio event selected like I have been attempting to do.

2. The Slip Edit operation mode I've been chasing after is totally missing.

So here's what I have found and is the reason I had originally thought my ALT button on my keyboard was not being recognized when I was using my separate wireless numeric keypad. They actually do work together..

1. Split and audio event

1. Select the audio event to the right of the event.

2. Press/Hold the ALT key, then Press "NUM 6". These are the keyboard shortcuts for "Slip Editing".

What "Should" happen is that as you continuously press NUM 6 while holding the ALT key, you should see the audio waveforms "SLIP" to the right inside of the event container without changing the size of the event container.

If you want to see how slip editing is "Supposed" to work. Select the "Slip" tool with your mouse, Then select the audio event with your mouse and then move your mouse to the Left or Right to visually see the audio waveform "Slip" inside of the event container while the event container remains the same length.

So you now have a "Slip" editing mouse tool, but there are no longer "Slip" editing keyboard shortcuts which perform the same function which means you can't perform precision editing using a slip edit function. This deserves a separate thread.

This seems to be a bug in Vegas. Someone broke the keyboard short-cuts for slip editing where I originally thought it was my ALT key press was not being recognized. This does not seem to be a problem with my ALT key and my setup, this seems to be a problem within Vegas. In fact when I explore this more, it seems like many of the numeric keyboard shortcuts are broken.

So you think it's broken for audio while it works for video (in expanded editing mode)?

Someone please confirm on their setup.

First try out slip editing with the mouse "Slip" tool.

1. Split an audio event using the "S" key.

2. Select the "Slip" tool with your mouse,then click on the right side of the split audio event. and move your mouse to the Left or Right to visually see the audio waveform "Slip" inside of the event container while the event container remains the same length.

Now try to see that exact same type of behavior using keyboard shortcuts.

1. Split an audio event using the "S" key.

2. Ensure NUM LOCK is turned on the keypad

3. Click on the audio event to the right of the split.

4. Press and hold the ALT key.

5. Continuing to hold the ALT key, press the numeric pad keys 4 or 6 continuously to see if you witness the same type of slip edit function as you did when using your mouse.

I'm just investigating into this. But what you describe above are two different things. One is Event Slipping, the other one (what Alt+4/6 is meant for) is Slip-Trimming. It looks like there is no keyboard shortcut defined for Event Slipping.