Well Marty - what do you think?

PCI OHCI:-

Host Controller Settings NOTHING enabled for "Support Non-Compliant Decvices"

Texas Inst OHCI Comliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller:-

Host Controller Settings NOTHING enabled for "Support Non-Compliant Decvices"

Now, I wouldn't know what to do with this information!

Grazie

I dont know either, but hey, ya knever know... new territory.

(Very under-documented)


Also FWIW, While i may have had MGI on my rig, i musta really scoured it off... My systemworks can find no trace...

mph

I Have been reading this with considerable interest, if your systems use the Intel chipset try running their accelerator software which will increase throughput.

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=663

Just a thought.

After several weeks of frustration I checked out the VV forums in the slight chance that I might find someone with the baffling momentary blue screen experienced when I tried to PTT either from the timeline or in batch. My symptoms are identical to yours. And I mean identical. I can normally find a solution (usually simple) but am baffled and defeated. I have tried everything you have tried and more. I have a Dell Dimension 1.8 with 1024 DDR RAM and two internal hard drives. A 80GB with WinXP and a dedicated 200GB solely for video and music.I have a SB Audigy sound card and a Gforce 4 video card. I capture from a Sony DCR-TVR240 per firewire without problems. All drivers and bios are the latest and have worked perfectly. I can burn DVD's flawlessly. But when I try to PTT either to VHS or 8mm I experience exactly what you have described. Any input I can offer to help YOU find the solution will be provided because I have been defeated.

Hobez

Wow, I was beginning to suspect Grazie and I were the only two out here experiencing and working this baffling issue.

Ozmerlin: Many, many thanks. I've accessed the site and am beginning to review and digest the material. "Throughput." Yes, that's it exactly. My dv streams in through the internal firewire, makes the right turn to the Belkin PCMCIA firewire, and copies without a single lost frame out to the Maxtor for as long as I care to capture. My dv streams in from the Maxtor, and goes to pieces making the left turn from the Belkin and out to camercorder, almost immediately and repeatedly. This definitely looks interesting.

Hobez: I going to keep at this thing until my I8K is outdated and I have to, and can afford to, upgrade. My next system will not have this problem, so help me Gateway, or HP, or (dare I say it) IBM.

Grazie: I'm capturing to "E." I'm going to leave the VEG and VEG.BAK on default "C" with V3 and the OS. I'm going to render and PTT from "C", and send to "E" for storage (deleting .AVI on "C" to conserve space). Still can't PTT from timeline, of course, can't access the media files out on "E". But it'll get me through the night. ("whatever gets you through the nigh-yht, is alright, is alright")

Grob

My tag is Grazie! - Gracie makes me sound like a 50's TV Sitcom - "Hi Gracie! I'm Home!"

Sorry for getting back rather late. Been earning a crust at a local authority. Must pay the bills y'know!

Okay dokey Boyz . . . Not that I wanna be left outta da loop on this, but there is a slight difference between us. I cannot successfully PTT from my C: drive, you two can. Okay - I can successfully PTT from TL or C: drive OR any of my 4 external MAXTOR drives IF I turn on and CONNECT up my Canon PRIOR to booting-up my Inspiron. Now, I am not saying that this in itself puts my problem on a different "shelf" to you two, but it needs to be said. If I didn't make the point we could assume that apples were pears - yeah?

That being said, as Grob and you may agree on - for all three of us "witnesses" to this "feature", it is about DV flow - or not as the case is here. For me Cammy pre-boot connect appears to work. For Grob, this doesn't make a difference - or does it Grob? - So, getting "Me through the night" has been this "work-around". Not ideal - I can't Plug 'n Play my cammy.

I did a straw poll on this forum - you must have seen it? - and the few that did bother to respond said that in essence Plug 'n Play didn't faulter thier ability to PTT. BUT and this is a massive but, Grob has subsequently found out that plugging the cammy in and switching it on PRIOR to boot-up is the way to go. Is that correct Grob? Soooo.... where to from here.

My thoughts are to keep "interesting" this forum enough to find some more pearls of wisdom that might hightlight the issue AND allow us to get to a solution that would be sustainable.

In summing-up what we 3 have:

1 - 2 similar platforms [Grob and Hobez] and 1 different [me]

2 - 2 have really squeaky clean up to date BIOS. I'm still lurking behind [until proved otherwise I aint u/g the BIOS - have read scary stuff over at the Dell-Talk.

3 - So far, this "feature" has "foxed" the good and great

4 - Here's the thing! - 'Cos of the above it must be staring us in the face - it has to be that simple! - I know . .. I know this appears to be blasphemy to all - but I can't help feeling that it isn't complicated. - I'm weird like that.

"WE'RE GONNA GET THIS SUCKER!"

Grazie - Hobez as in "to graze" - to eat, munch, nibble, snack etc etc . . so, guess what else I like doing?

PS Hobez - I'm also, in a sense, glad you have "come-out" and given witness to this "feature" - I very sorry you too have it! - Anyways, y'know what I mean! Hello, this is "Blue-Screen-Corner"

A thousand pardons Grazie. That's what I get for thinking and typing at the same time.

Grazie, while I haven't found "read ahead" in my XP, I have found "pagefile", which I have maximized--to no effect. Get it from CraigF's posting in this forum.

http://www.creativecow.net/forum/read_post.php?postid=104545169064709&forumid=24

Also looked over intel link as provided in this thread just recently by ozmerlin, very intriging.

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df/Product_Filter.asp?ProductID=663

Grazie, I tend to agree. There's something simple, data routing or file management or cache-ing, or some such thing. This whole go idea of data flowing so seamlessly downstream and then choking up in the opposite direction. Here I go again...

Grob

Hiyah Grob. Thanks for the further explanation.

Before I go there, what's intriguing about the INTEL link-info?

Grazie

And I quote:

" 1. Performance Software - Intel® Application Accelerator [IAA23_ENU.EXE, IAA23_MULTI.EXE] (1973KB) 2.3 11/13/2002 Download
The Intel® Application Accelerator enables faster delivery of data from the hard drive to the processor and other system level hardware.

Read Me (txt) Release Notes (htm)

OS: Windows NT* 4.0, Windows* 2000, Windows* 98, Windows* 98 SE, Windows* Me, Windows* XP Home Edition, Windows* XP Professional"

I'm still reviewing my config to determine applicability.

Grob

Going further with this, firstly XP will use ACPI to control interrupt sharing across interfaces where available, this is sometimes a 'BAD THING', XP will assign interrupts depending on load order which may not be what we want. It is possible to force XP to install without referencing the ACPI interface, whereby we can direct which devices share, and which don't :-). Also, XP provides the ability to prioritise (sp?) which services and devices get the lions share of cpu cycles, within a DMA framework this can be important if software requires some control over the data stream. For those of you using systems based on the VIA chipset, ensure that you always have the latest 4 in 1 drivers, and more importantly, the VIA Latency patch. This alone increased my Dad's NLE system throughput more than 200%.

Best Regards to All,


Robin

And I quote from the site download overview,
"The Intel(R) Application Accelerator is designed to improve
performance of the storage sub-system and overall system
performance. This software delivers improved performance
through several ingredient technologies (components).
Certain components will be available only on Pentium(R) 4
processor-based systems running Microsoft Windows 2000 and
Windows XP. Software installation is flexible and fully
automated for Microsoft Windows 98, Windows 98 Second
Edition(SE), Windows Millennium Edition(Me), Windows
NT 4.0, Windows 2000, and Windows XP operating systems."

I have to go slow here, I'm carefully reading the site(s) to be sure of applicability with my Dell from *ell.

Ozmerline . . . "For those of you using systems based on the VIA chipset, ensure that you always have the latest 4 in 1 drivers, and more importantly, the VIA Latency patch." Go slow, I'm old. Where can I go to research this. Thanks.

Grob

All: should we post a new thread? 60 replies! What's the record?

Grob, it's Quality not Quantity! - Unfortunately, I think we win hands down, on both scores.

Seriously, I think if we could start getting people with Inspies - pdmath? - to provide their "loading" programmes we could start comparing like for like ie apples and apples - yeah? - Don't forget I CAN get success with my cammy live and plugged in PRIOR to boot-up. Somehow this is "forcing" the cammy recognition before the rest of the pack starts jumping into RAM - yeah? Hell, I wish I knew just a little bit more 'bout pcs.

"WE'RE GONNA GET THIS SUCKER!"

Grazie

I'm not sure if this is what you want. It is a list of programs at W2k startup.

Program
eBot
H/PC Connection Agent
i8kfangui
Adobe Gamma Loader
Synchronization Manager
AtiPTA
SynTPLpr
SynTPEnh
POINTER
DVDBitSet
HPCDTray
HPDJ Taskbar Utility
dla
StorageGuard
RealTray
QuickTime Task
ccApp
ccRegVfy
GhostStartTrayApp
SymTray - Norton SystemWorks
QD FastAndSafe

Sad as I am, I'm finding this fascinating!

Thanks for taking the trouble. Guess some of it is Win 2k stuff? You are on Win2k - yeah?

I don't see:

In - msconfig - Mine is loading:

1. Systray
2. LoadPowerProfile
3. BayMgr
4. Task Monitor
5. ATIPOLAB
6. *StateMgr

These are just "6" differences - hoping someone sees a "rogue" in mine.

Some questions on yours:-

Program - Who he?
eBot - ?
H/PC Connection Agent - ?
i8kfangui - Know this one! But you've got it as a startup - .. . hmmmmm
Adobe Gamma Loader - Don't have this but I guess this is an Adobe thingy
Synchronization Manager - WHAT IS THIS?!?
AtiPTA - ?
SynTPLpr - ?
SynTPEnh - ?
POINTER - Pointing device?
DVDBitSet - Some DVD thingy?
HPCDTray - An HP cd burner?
HPDJ Taskbar Utility - Oh yes, the printer - yeah?
dla - WHAT THIS? Any takers?
StorageGuard - Anti virus?
RealTray - Real player
QuickTime Task - QT . . Cutie!
ccApp - ????
ccRegVfy - ????
GhostStartTrayApp - ????
SymTray - Norton SystemWorks - Yup - Mr Norton.
QD FastAndSafe - ???

Is this stuff in your "Ctrl-Alt-Del" window? Or is this what you've found in "msconfig" startup? I suppose it can't be as you said - I seem to remember - you weren't able to "Run" msconfig. How did you access this stuff?

Once again, thanks for delivering this list - AND your very welcome persistance to hang on in here with us - yeah? - Very interested you've FnaGui as a startup!

Many, many thanks

Grazie

don't know....Program - Who he?
some kind of download program for something I bought (I think).....eBot - ?
for syncing my Cassiopea...H/PC Connection Agent - ?
i8kfangui - Know this one! But you've got it as a startup - .. . hmmmmm
Adobe Gamma Loader - Don't have this but I guess this is an Adobe thingy
to sync Outlook with Yahoo internet stuff....Synchronization Manager - WHAT IS THIS?!?
don't know....AtiPTA - ?
don't know....SynTPLpr - ?
don't know....SynTPEnh - ?
don't know....POINTER - Pointing device?
yes....DVDBitSet - Some DVD thingy?
yes...HPCDTray - An HP cd burner?
I guess so....HPDJ Taskbar Utility - Oh yes, the printer - yeah?
drive letter access program for cdr/dvd storage....dla - WHAT THIS? Any takers?
Norton stuff...StorageGuard - Anti virus?
yes....RealTray - Real player
QuickTime Task - QT . . Cutie!
don't know....ccApp - ????
don't know....ccRegVfy - ????
Norton Ghost....GhostStartTrayApp - ????
SymTray - Norton SystemWorks - Yup - Mr Norton.
don't know....QD FastAndSafe - ???



I got this list by using admin tools and it shows startup programs. W2k doesn't seem to use mscongig. Here are some instructions I found on Goggle to find these files....

"Start\Programs\Administrative Tools\Computer Management(Local)\System Information\Software
Environment\Startup Programs, then in the "Location" column, you'll find the path to the "Startup"
location either in the "Startup" directories or from the "Run" keys.

\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\Startup
\Documents and Settings\%user%\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

Thanks for that Phil - it is "Phil" - yes?

Hmmmm.... You: Win2000 <> Me WinME - Oh dear Apples and pears again!

Grazie

yes...my names is Phil

I took a look at my Task Manager and there are lots of "processes" running...more items like you have such as SynTray.exe, iexplore.exe...all sorts of stuff...maybe that's the list you were wanting to see. I don't know how to put it in text form to copy into here though. There are about 33 processes running that I assume begin when I boot up.

Thanks Phil,

Yes that's the one. I leave the menu which shows me what is running. Much of the undercover stuff gets shown up here.

The way I "capture" the stuff is to have a copy of WinNotepad on screen and then type the stuff in.

Cheers

Grazie

here's what is currently running in Windows Task Manager processes:

services.exe
lsass.exe
taskmgr.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe (don't know why it's there twice)
ccevtmgr.exe
spoolsv.exe
msdtc.exe
ati2evxx.exe
svchost.exe (again?)
ghoststartservi
hidserv.exe
navapsvc.exe
ccapp.exe
nprptect.exe
explorer.exe
stisvc.exe
mstask.exe
nopdb.exe
hpcdtray.exe
symtray.exe
svchost.exe
mqsvc.exe
atiptaxx.exe
syntplpr.exe
point32.exe
syntpenh.exe
tfswctrl.exe
acrord32.exe
ghoststarttraya
scescomm.exe
i8kfangui.exe
outlook.exe
iexplore.exe

correction to the above post...I left some items off...here is the corrected currently running items in Windows Task Manager.

system idle process
system
smss.exe
csrss.exe
winlogon.exe
hpztsb02.exe
services.exe
lsass.exe
taskmgr.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe (don't know why it's there twice)
ccevtmgr.exe
spoolsv.exe
msdtc.exe
ati2evxx.exe
svchost.exe (again?)
ghoststartservi
hidserv.exe
navapsvc.exe
ccapp.exe
nprptect.exe
explorer.exe
stisvc.exe
mstask.exe
nopdb.exe
hpcdtray.exe
symtray.exe
svchost.exe
mqsvc.exe
atiptaxx.exe
syntplpr.exe
point32.exe
syntpenh.exe
tfswctrl.exe
acrord32.exe
ghoststarttraya
scescomm.exe
i8kfangui.exe
outlook.exe
iexplore.exe

Good evening. From the bottom of WTM listing up:
System Idle Process
System
SVCHOST.EXE
MsPMSPSv.exe
smss.exe
CSRSS.EXE (high priority)
winlogon.exe (high priority)
SERVICES.EXE
lsass.exe
SVCHOST.EXE SYSTEM
SVCHOST.EXE SYSTEM
SVCHOST.EXE NETWORK SERVICE
SVCHOST.EXE LOCAL SERVICE
explorer.exe
SPOOLSV.EXE
CCEVTMGR.EXE
NISUM.EXE
RUNDLL32.EXE
Apoint.exe
DadApp.exe
mm_tray.exe
Directcd.exe
evntsvc.exe
CCAPP.EXE
qttask.exe
ComboButton.exe
ctfmon.exe
QBDAgent.exe
WZQKPICK.EXE
ApntEx.exe
mrtmngr.exe
alg.exe
CCPXYSVC.EXE
mdm.exe
NAVAPSVC.EXE
nvsvc32.exe
retrorun.exe
taskmgr.exe (high priority)
msmsgs.exe
iexplore.exe

I'm following you. Grob

Ozmerlin: Installed the accelerator download. Went to PTT from "Capture" Menu off both the E and C drives, in both cases BS was extreme--considerably worse than before download, say 80% BS with brief, fragmented video at random.

Uninstalled, back where I started. Can PTT from "Capture" Menu and C drive, BS from E drive.

By the way, thank you, thank you, for taking the time to contribute to our treasure hunt!

SoFo: any clues on data stream routing within the V3 program during Capture and PTT?? Just reversed, or different??

Grob