Okay Sony, I learned my lesson...

mtntvguy wrote on 12/14/2009, 2:01 PM

I gave it a valiant effort. A year ago I bought a Mac and all the software and then got Final Cut Studio 2, now Final Cut Studio 3, and upgraded to Snow Leopard. I even got a Macbook Pro for field work. Try as I might, and God knows I've tried, I just can't come to like FCP. I hate it. You have to go outside the program do do many things you can do from the timeline in Vegas, and you have to render everything to see how it's going to look. I found myself continually going back to Sony Vegas on the Windows side of the Mac in order to work efficiently and quickly. But even with Bootcamp and running Vegas in WIndows, there are glitches. So I'm going to buy a new Windows machine and sell this tank to some Apple fanboy.

By the way... I'm convinced now the Mac snobs are only that way because they've never used anything else. At least I TRIED FCP for a year.

So... having been away from the Windows environment for a while, I thought some advice would be in order. My old WIndows machine (and Windows on the Mac) ran under 32 bit XP Pro. The machine I'm looking at has 64 bit W7 and 16GB RAM. My version of Vegas is 8.0d (I think) , so I'll have to upgrade. If I do that, will all my veggies and previous projects open?

Suggestions (without getting too technical) deeply appreciated.

PS to SONY: Please consider changing the name to Sony ProEdit 9, or something more professional sounding than Sony Vegas. It would sound much better when you tell clients what NLE you're using.

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MTuggy wrote on 12/18/2009, 8:44 AM

ProEdit - that is a great name! Let's just all start calling it that "Sony ProEdit 9" on the forum and maybe Sony will just change it.

:)

MT

John_Cline wrote on 12/18/2009, 1:40 PM

Your user name is "MTuggy" and you're complaining that Vegas is a strange name? It's just a frickin name!

rs170a wrote on 12/18/2009, 1:45 PM

Your user name is "MTuggy" ...

John, that's his user name because Michael Tuggy is his real name.

Mike

John_Cline wrote on 12/18/2009, 2:22 PM

I knew that. The point is that it's just a name no matter how odd it sounds.

My name is John, which can either refer to me or a toilet or a protitutes's customer or a specific kind of underwear. It's just a name. If someone calls me Mike, I don't respond. Hopefully, no one thinks of me with a flush handle on the side of my head when they call me "John." (OK, maybe a couple of people do.) I have never once thought of Vegas (the city) when I have discussed Vegas (the editing software.)

Once something has a name, it's usually confusing to change it after the fact for no good reason.

Earl_J wrote on 12/21/2009, 5:54 PM

Well, talk about closing the barn door after the cows have wandered off...
I'm sure a mtn guy will get the irony of this email I just received...
Spend a day learning FCP with Larry Jordan. . . quite the deal... not necessarily for mtntvguy, but perhaps for others who might consider jumping over over to the dark side - maybe I should share if with sebaz... although I think he already gets a copy of his own... (just kidding)

http://tinyurl.com/y8gbgf7

Quite the deal for $99...

Until that time... Earl J.

Steve Mann wrote on 12/21/2009, 9:29 PM

Farss - if you are going to DVD, why convert to 60i ??

apit34356 wrote on 12/21/2009, 10:39 PM

"- maybe I should share if with sebaz... although I think he already gets a copy of his own... (just kidding)" ;-) maybe email that to Course, since FCP has no known real problems in LA...... ;-)

Alf Hanna wrote on 12/21/2009, 11:47 PM

Thoughts:
-I've had a wonderful Dell Desktop for three years, just replaced it for Quadcore HP which also is running quiet and fine. The old dell ran quiet, and flawless for three years. I had a Dell laptop that is five years old, running XP and still working fine for a low income buddy of mine. He thanked me again for it last week.
All computer mfgs. can build lemons. Just a fact of life.

-Apple MacPro is an expensive machine for what it is. Buy it and run both Windows (Vista, XP or Win7) under Boot Camp, but be aware that Bootcamp is not as good, IMHO as a regular Windows machine. Why? My hunch comes down to Apple's BIOS implementation. A small example..my video drivers on Bootcamp ran extremely hot under Vista on a MacBook Pro, but ran cool under Mac OS. Nothing I could do would change that. I got numerous blue screens of death in Windows, much more than on my Dell desktop. They came from video drivers. So something was wrong, despite loading new supposedly better drivers. I finally did an upgrade to WIndows and it trashed my Boot Camp partition, I gave up. But there's lot to like on the MacOS. However, I could buy three quad desktops, Vegas, and a new monitorfor the price of a fully configured MacPro. Just what it is. I just last month paid $600 for a brand new HP Quad Core 6 GB with great video and audio card, 500GB hard drive. I priced what I would need on the MP and it was over $3000. And with Vegas Video I can network the processing between my laptop and desktop, or buy more desktops to do the extra load.

Will you encounter blue screens of death on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine? You bet. But that's just what it is. Not pretty, but it works very well overall.

That's a lot of plus' even though I love a lot of the Mac interface! I still use the MacBook Pro for my personal daily machine...Keyboard is superb. Monitor very readable.

So put bootcamp on your MacPro (or did you say you only had a laptop?), fire up Windows 7 in 64 bit mode, if Bootcamp is supporting 64 Win7, and just use it until it's breaks too badly. Back up your files religiously. And enjoy both very excellent systems.

Sidecar2 wrote on 12/22/2009, 10:54 AM

mtntvguy,

You said you cut a simple 16-min clip and took it to DVD in both FCP and Vegas Pro.

Regardless of the time saved, did the finished products look the same? Which was crisper, sharper, more pleasing to the eye?

Or were they the same?

mtntvguy wrote on 12/22/2009, 2:05 PM

The one I did in Vegas and DVD Architect turned out clearly better.

But the one I did on the Mac OS I did right out of compressor, so I guess it wouldn't be a fair comparison. There would have been even more time involved if I took it from compressor to DVD studio pro to make the DVD.

You know, just this morning I called Apple support for an external preview issue I've been having. The guy got really snarky with me because I didn't want to round up a couple other monitors and plug them in via different configurations so he "could better evaluate the problem, and not just rely on how it is reacting to one specific monitor." I mean, what was I supposed to do... go out and buy a couple?

Even though I'm becoming less of an Apple fan, I was very disappointed because I always had pleasant experiences with Apple Support in the past. This guy talked down to me. I told him in no uncertain terms I didn't like it, and I certainly didn't like the fact I paid extra (extended service plan) for it.

As of an hour ago I have a buyer for the Mac, the support gear and some of the other stuff. I'll have a new PC by this time next week. Like I said previously: I'm keeping the MaBook Pro because there are times when someone absolutely HAS to get QT .mov files from me at the location, or they insist on the edit being done in FCP. And the fact is the MacBook Pro is a nifty machine. I'm just pretty much done with Apple and it's damn arrogance.

Widetrack wrote on 12/22/2009, 2:59 PM

Viruses: NEVER go online with the computer Vegas lives on. Install free ThreatFire on Vegas machine anyway to monitor any crap that gets through.

Computer noise is mostly from the fan in the power supply. You can always google a new quiet power supply and install it.

You're dead on about the relative time demanded by Vegas and FCP. FCP's been a time sink and frustration builder since v 1.00, and not that much has improved.

My sense of its popularity is that it's a form of mass hypnosis.