OneDrive and Video Projects

auggybendoggy wrote on 10/31/2015, 4:07 PM
I'm thinking. Would a cloud service like OneDrive be a good place to run a project from? It seems doable once the root video files are all uploaded. Since project files are so small it seems that once all the PC's are synced and all video files are present on each computer, then the only syncing that will take place will be the project files. Once it's time to begin rendering the final output files, then those could be rendered locally?

Am I wrong about that?

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john_dennis wrote on 10/31/2015, 5:56 PM
It's likely something will surface that you haven't considered, yet.

.sfap0 from nested projects?

.wav from audio takes?

proxies generated locally?

where are those stabilizer files stored?

drive mapping differences between machines?

This may not make it impossible, just no fun.

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ushere wrote on 10/31/2015, 7:22 PM
i tried doing this with various programs in the past, eg. thunderbird. i remember having problems with 'locked' files in vegas not uploading or causing problems. i have a pretty poor connection though.

if i was to look at cloud i'd probably keep it very simple and NOT online.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/31/2015, 7:45 PM
I do a similar thing with GTK Radiant. However, to get around the issues presented above I unzipped the program to a folder that is synced on OneDrive. Then every computer has the same settings/etc. & all the data is relative to the GTK Radiant folder. That only works because it's degined for multiple OS's & doesn't need windows registry settings to work & allows relative file paths.

If Vegas allowed relative file paths then it could work nicely.
monoparadox wrote on 10/31/2015, 10:09 PM
Onedrive keeps a local copy of your file(s) in the Onedrive folder. You can interact with Onedrive just like any other folder. Synchronization takes place in the background. Be aware that Windows 10 handles Onedrive folders and files differently than Win 8.1. As long as the files aren't too large Onedrive should work just fine.

Just be aware that you won't have instant synchronization.

--tom
TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/1/2015, 6:35 AM
How does it handle different then Win 8.1 (or even 7)?
monoparadox wrote on 11/1/2015, 9:38 AM
In 8.1 Onedrive kept a complete set of "file/folder" pointers located on the local drive whether they were synced, or not. Therefore, you saw your complete Onedrive file/folder structure locally whether they were synced or not. In 10 only actual synced files/folders are shown locally. I actually preferred the 8.1 method, but 10 is probably more failsafe as far as having the actual Onedrive file/folder available on the local drive.

--tom
OldSmoke wrote on 11/1/2015, 9:50 AM
There is no difference with OneDrive and different OS versions. It behaves the same in 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. Maybe you have set it differently in Win10 but trust me, there is no difference.

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TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/1/2015, 11:45 AM
Testing with Win 7 it does work different then when I had 8.1 installed. In 8.1 I could have a folder listed & files in it but they have no size because the files aren't downloaded. When I open a file that wasn't on my local machine I would download & open the file. In 7 if something isn't local synced then it doesn't show at all and it is (apparently) deleted from the onedrive site too.

7 has onedrive as an addon though, not built in.
OldSmoke wrote on 11/1/2015, 1:04 PM
I am not at my PC but there are settings for OneDrive that change the behavior of the syncing. All my different machines, laptop Win7, desktop Win10 upgraded from 8.1, iMac OSX and iPad behave the same. Once I drop a file in the OneDrive folder it gets synced. You go to the next machine and it will be updated. The iPad is slightly different as it only downloads the files that where either created on the iPad or opened on the iPad. All my desktops keep a full copy of every file and folder, this ensures that everything is available at any time.

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monoparadox wrote on 11/1/2015, 8:26 PM
The distinction is in the version of Windows. In Win8.1 the complete directory structure is kept on the local machine even though the file may not have both a cloud and local copy. In Win10 and I believe Win7 a file will not show in the local Onedrive folder unless it is explicitly set up to do so--and then it actually exists both locally and in the cloud. So, you probably still have a lot of files existing in the cloud that you don't see locally unless you choose to sync the folder.

I know clear as mud. That's the reason Win10 does it the way it does, so syncing would be the same across all operating systems. IOS, Windows, etc. I and many others actually preferred the Win8 way to do it. You just needed to make sure the files you wanted locally actually existed on the local machine and what you were seeing wasn't just a pointer. It was nice to see everything that was up in the Onedrive cloud even though all the files didn't exist locally.

--tom
OldSmoke wrote on 11/1/2015, 8:46 PM
Well there must be something else different on your system. I can see any file on my Win10 that was made from any other device and it will be automatically downloaded to the local hard drive; very much like Dropbox.

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monoparadox wrote on 11/1/2015, 10:18 PM
Because you have your files set to sync. You explicitly chose to do that when you installed Win10. Whichever folders you choose to sync have a copy both locally and on the Onedrive cloud. In 8.1, one had file/folder pointers showing for all files in the cloud even if they didn't actually exist locally. Therefore, you could see all the files that existed in the cloud as if they were local, even though they weren't unless you explicitly synced them.

--tom
TheHappyFriar wrote on 11/2/2015, 8:05 AM
Yup, setting up to always sync in 8.1 would download files set to sync, but not set to sync would still show the files & folders but NOT sync. Similar to a *nix link file.
auggybendoggy wrote on 11/3/2015, 8:30 AM
Smoke,
at this time Onedrive for W10 does not allow placeholders, which W8 uses. That's the only difference.

However, I read a statement from MS that they will be returning this feature as an option for OD W10.
OldSmoke wrote on 11/3/2015, 9:03 AM
I have all my files always synced and hence to me there is no difference between any of the windows versions. I need all my files to be always in sync and alwasy available because when I am on the road and dont have Internet access, I cant work.

But, as I mentioned earlier, on the iPad there is no option to always have all in sync; only those that I previously opened would be synced and the rest are just pointers.

If you want to work with your project files on OneDrive, then it would not make sense NOT to have it synced all the time, at least not to me.

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