OT: BD players, DLs, and more

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nolonemo wrote on 3/7/2008, 11:47 AM
Re keeping the price of the player high: You wonder if these people ever studied economics. Lower prices = more adoption. For me the entry point for Blu-Ray is a $150 player. According to this bozo, that's two years or more away. Hi def is cool, but it's not so cool I can't wait, SD movies look plenty good.
Terje wrote on 3/7/2008, 12:38 PM
Terje, in the midwest, the BD prices on new releases are still high

I see high BD prices here and there, but I am amazed that it matters. Given the low cost of, and high reliability of, online purchasing, why on earth would it matter? There is a reason that Comp USA (with a lot of stores) went under while Newegg (with no retail stores) is doing well.
Terje wrote on 3/7/2008, 12:43 PM
when I asked a question about how many Blu-Ray movies they own a few weeks ago, most of them didn't respond

Might have been because some of us didn't see the question. Since you re curious, I have 38 Blu-Ray covers on the shelf in front of me, some of which (like the Die Hard collection - all four of them) are more than one movie.

As for what the public wants, well, we'll see...

Then they either bad mouth the public or dismiss the public's relative disinterest by claiming variable nonsense such as "format confusion"

I can't say I have ever seen anyone badmouthing the public, and as for the disinterest based on the format war, I think the documented jump i BD player sales after the Toshiba announcement is a strong indication that consumer were indeed sitting on the fence.

www.t3.com/news/blu-ray-player-sales-up-seven-fold?=35296
Terje wrote on 3/7/2008, 12:54 PM
You wonder if these people ever studied economics. Lower prices = more adoption.

Have you? I doubt it. I did study business, and you know what, in business you learn that anyone who thinks price is the only factor in a sale, or even that lowering the price is an automatic way of increasing sales hopefully works for your competitor.

There is nothing automatic about "Lower prices = more adoption", and you'd think anyone who paid attention during the last few months of this particular format war had learned that. Throughout December (before the Warner announcement that stopped the war) Toshiba repeatedly dropped the price of their players. Again and again. Despite this, in stand-alone player sales, they were still beat by the BD side in December. That is not counting the PS3.

So, if lower prices = higher adoption, why was the adoption rate of Blu Ray, with significantly higher prices, higher than for HD DVD?

Me thinks thine "logic" needs revising.
craftech wrote on 3/7/2008, 1:19 PM
I have 38 Blu-Ray covers on the shelf in front of me, some of which (like the Die Hard collection - all four of them) are more than one movie.
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Congrats. At least you support the format you blow wind about.
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and as for the disinterest based on the format war, I think the documented jump i BD player sales after the Toshiba announcement is a strong indication that consumer were indeed sitting on the fence.

www.t3.com/news/blu-ray-player-sales-up-seven-fold?=35296
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This is why I don't think you have any business experience, only BS experience. The "documented jump" you claim in BD player sales was a statement by the owner of PLay.com. That's whose claim the article you linked was about
as are any other references with that claim. They all point to the stated claim by the Chief Operating Officer (Stuart Rowe) of Play.com - an online retailer like Best Buy here in the US.
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So therefore because this guy makes the claim for his store, you claim that this speaks to the consumer getting off the fence and swarming to buy Blu-Ray players worldwide. Too funny.

Try here Terje.

John
Terje wrote on 3/7/2008, 2:33 PM
At least you support the format you blow wind about.

Wow, you really are emotionally invested in this, are you not? Why?

Try here Terje.

Sad, really. Get well soon.
nolonemo wrote on 3/7/2008, 2:47 PM
>>So, if lower prices = higher adoption, why was the adoption rate of Blu Ray, with significantly higher prices, higher than for HD DVD?
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I'm talking about MASS adoption, not early-adopter adoption. Plus, there's an easy explanation of the failure of HD DVD's price cuts -- people were afraid to buy into the format that looked more likely to disappear, regardless of price.
riredale wrote on 3/7/2008, 2:57 PM
Please, guys. I know it's Friday, but please, no sarcasm or anger, okay? I enjoy reading these threads and learn a lot from them, but I'm put off by verbal injury. Women think I'm a very sensitive person.
blink3times wrote on 3/7/2008, 3:05 PM
. Now to prove their short attention span they will probably falsely claim that I am an HD DVD fanboy despite all my posts.

You got me laughing so hard I got tears coming down the cheeks!
blink3times wrote on 3/7/2008, 3:10 PM
I think the documented jump i BD player sales after the Toshiba announcement is a strong indication that consumer were indeed sitting on the fence.

Of that I will agree... but then it was pretty much a given. There was a certain crowd sitting on the side lines waiting to see the outcome before they bought and this was not something unknown, but it is NOT average Joe
apit34356 wrote on 3/7/2008, 6:58 PM
Gee, for all the BD supporters who know nothing, MS is talking with Sony. Story suggests the X360, but the real story is the future MS replacement gaming console to replace the X360. The add-on is a side issue vs. the future gaming box. With the new console using BD, it would suggest that MS plans to continue to push the media console integration with gaming. So, DLs, BDs, gaming in one MS box.


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Sony chews the Blu-ray fat with Microsoft

By James Sherwood [More by this author]
7th March 2008 11:31 GMT

Sony has confirmed that it's in talks with Microsoft about supporting Blu-ray Disc. Apparently, it has also been chatting to Apple, even though the Mac maker is already a Blu-ray Disc backer.

The Japanese electronics giant’s US president, Stan Glasgow, told the Financial Times this week that Sony is talking to both companies. He didn't explicitly state that the conversation with Microsoft is about offering a Blu-ray add-on for the Xbox 360, but what else could they be discussing?

Until now, Xbox 360 owners could only play HD DVDs, by buying an add-on drive. Following Toshiba's decision to abandon HD DVD production, Microsoft canned that peripheral. It has often said in the past that it will offer a Blu-ray add-on if the punters want one.


It’s too early to say exactly how Blu-ray will be brought to the Xbox 360, if at all. Most likely, gamers may be offered an external Blu-ray drive. But now there's a clear winner in the format war, Microsoft might well decide to integrate a Blu-ray drive into a future version of the console.

Glasgow told the FT that Sony is also talking to with Apple, presumably in the hope the Mac maker, which has been a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association since March 2005, to start offering computers with integrated BD drives.

Unlike Apple CEO Steve Jobs, Glasgow believes Blu-ray isn’t being threatened by online downloads and streaming because that medium's popularity will take years to grow. Instead, he expects Blu-ray Discs to succeed thanks to falling player prices that he claims could see a standalone Blu-ray player cost just $300 (£150/€200) by December and $200 by the end of 2009.
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