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dibbkd wrote on 9/4/2006, 9:32 AM
That is very sad, I always loved watching his shows. I feel badly for his family.
jrazz wrote on 9/4/2006, 9:39 AM
One report I read said that the news release came before his wife even found out as she was hiking on some remote island. I find that to be disrespectful if it was true.

j razz
arenel wrote on 9/4/2006, 10:45 AM
Having spent fifteen seasons behind the camera for Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom, I was a great admirer of the "Croc Hunter."

He did things with animals that were amazing, yet his enthusiasm for wildlife really came through.

I am saddened by his loss, and particularly saddened for his family, friends, and associates.

Ralph Nelson
p@mast3rs wrote on 9/4/2006, 11:15 AM
I am very saddened by this and I dont really watch his stuff much anymore. Personally, I think what saddens me is this man had more zest for life and his career than many of us do and sadly, many of us take it for granted.
Grazie wrote on 9/4/2006, 11:24 AM
Lesson for me today, Patrick. To live everyday as full as I can.

It was very obvious that Steve totally relished his work and the excitement he received from dealing with some the World's most dangerous animals.
apit34356 wrote on 9/4/2006, 12:08 PM
Irwin's dead is really tragic, my kids love Irwin. He's help peak the public interest in wildlife and Australia. Zoos have had an increase in foottraffic because of him.
MH_Stevens wrote on 9/4/2006, 1:00 PM
Very sad - the news made me real low today. My kids and wife all loved Irwin. With so much garbage on the TV this is the sort of bloke we just can't afford to loose. I hope wife Terri can carry on the work.


MacMoney wrote on 9/4/2006, 2:04 PM
This is a very sad day!
I loved his show.
My heart goes out to his family.

George Ware
farss wrote on 9/4/2006, 2:21 PM
We've lost a true Aussie icon and a great bloke.
He made many of us cringe but that's more a comment on how we've lost our identity as a country than the character of Steve.

Bob.
MH_Stevens wrote on 9/4/2006, 2:27 PM
Bob: Why so many Aussies cringe at Irwin? Was he not macho enoght to be an Aussie? Maybe he didn't drink too much Fosters and puke?

What do you think Serena?
BowmanDigital wrote on 9/4/2006, 3:30 PM
Indeed we've lost a true Aussie icon, steve has just finished major upgrades to his zoo here in QLD. I hope his family continues on the vision.
Serena wrote on 9/4/2006, 6:11 PM
I really enjoyed his over-the-top enthusiasm, a sort of Peter Pan of wildlife. That enthusiasm most people lose when they "grow up" and become entangled in the dull responsibilities of every day city life.
But it's true that Steve was much more famous in the USA than in Australia. Here the guys like to think themselves more Crocodile Dundee than Crocodile Hunter; the laid back "you think that's a knife? THIS is a knife!" The style is more doing great things and barely acknowledging that they've been done. Hence the guys are embarrassed by association with Steve's uncultured wild ocker excitement and self promotion; people will think we're all like that.
But there's great admiration for what he did and amazement at his bravery (although Steve didn't see himself as brave, just skilled and instinctive, rather than intellectual). He said his daughter had his skills but much more intelligence in her approach. Steve was a fabulous family man and even those who judged him "way-over-the-top" are truly saddened.
At the time of his death his family were hiking in Tasmania (not a remote wilderness island) and I understand that they were contacted before they heard the news -- presumably by Steve's manager, who was with him.

Edit: That we're not enthusiastic about celebrities has also coloured the way Steve was regarded in Australia. They do much better in the USA.
fldave wrote on 9/4/2006, 7:00 PM
Well said, Serena. Tragic loss.

Steve was, literally, in my backyard (500 ft away) for a double show on moving Pigmy Rattlers from Eglin Air Force Base in Florida to a safer area. I hope his enthusiasm, (perfect word, Serena) for nature is remembered and embraced by today's kids.

Edited: Kids of all ages!
MH_Stevens wrote on 9/4/2006, 8:38 PM
Thanks Serena. You told me what I suspected.

Maybe Irwin's sensitivity and hyper-active enthusiasm for life and nature was just good editing! Perhaps he really used to get pissed on Fosters, park a custard in the Croc pits and call Terri Sheila?

For me Irwin represented what I hoped was a "growing up" of the Aussie bloke and a new face on Aussie masculinity that was based on family life and sensitivity rather than just that late night urge to put your finger down the throat.
apit34356 wrote on 9/4/2006, 8:46 PM
Serena, you had Steve, but we in the USA have M.Jackson, Ozie,.... talk image crisis. I have many friends who travel to Australia for holidays, they usually rate the people and country 10+, many will not travel to EU anymore if they have time to travel to "downunder".
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/4/2006, 9:50 PM
I had the opportunity to meet him a few years ago, and he was like a kid at Disneyland. Very happy, very enthusiastic, and simply filled with wonder at the world. he was also very intense in his discussion of the place of other animals in the world as compared to humans.
I wonder how many folks here realize there is a Vegas connection? There is a Vegas editor out there that did edit several segments in the field for him, using Sony Vegas 4/5. I lost touch with the editor after my last tour of Oz.
Sad day for the animal world and entertainment world as well.
DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/4/2006, 9:59 PM
Like MH_Stevens, I've felt weird about this all day. His zest for life and passion for his life's work was evident.
farss wrote on 9/4/2006, 10:38 PM
Unlike Serena I don't think it was the classic Australian Tall Poppy syndrome, Steve just wasn't the kind of bloke to attract that kind of feeling. We keep that more for people like Bond and Packer.

Perhaps it was because he was more larrikan than ocker.
Or was it because we've tried to present a more sophisticated veneer to the world and Steve cut through that veneer.

It'd be dishonest of me to say he didn't make me cringe a bit every time I saw him, probably because it's hard to grasp how someone can be that full on all the time. But that's how he was, relentlessly in your face and maybe that's what it'll take to make us wake up to just how much of this planet's riches we're loosing.

Bob.
Serena wrote on 9/5/2006, 12:32 AM
Bob, did I say tall poppy? Certainly wasn't my intention and I don't think it applies. No, I don't think Steve was a closet Aussie of the style that the English still like to believe in and refuse to let go. With Steve what you saw was what there was -- very honest. Last evening the ABC replayed a very open interview (on the show "Enough Rope") and the transcript is available transcript. Not the same without the visuals; they'll have some video up next week.

EDIT: in that interview Bob's point came up:

Q: [Your manager] doesn't think that Australians know how to watch you, that some of them feel embarrassed.

STEVE IRWIN: Mmm.

Q: Is that a fair call?

STEVE IRWIN: Yeah, I do. I do. Absolutely. I'm very embarrassing to look at. You know why? Here is why I'm embarrassing. There's a little bit of me in everybody. I'm like the boy who never grew up. I'm very, very passionate about what I do. I mean, I love what I do. I'm so - I wake up in the morning on fire and people are like, "God, give this guy a valium or something. Can't he have a bad day", and I'm not. I'm not. I guess people, especially Australians, they are so, "Yeah, yeah, Stevo, whatever." Australians are like that. They're very "Yeah, yeah, take it or leave it, whatever. He's too hypo. The bloke is on fire." I guess that little bit of me in everybody kind of must be embarrassing.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/5/2006, 6:54 AM
A very sad day indeed. I watched him all the time with my children and we have a couple of his DVD’s including his movie. What an incredible human being. We should all feel as passionate about our work. He will be missed. Croc Rules!

I must have read a dozen or more reports yesterday and I would just like to see one, just one, that didn’t backhandedly mention the incident with his baby at the end. Even in death they are still crucifying the guy. Give it a freakin’ rest already!

~jr
Ayath The Loafer wrote on 9/5/2006, 8:26 AM
As you said Johnny,

We all wish that the baby incident didn't take up too much space. But then again - why did you think it neccessary to mention?

And I must admit that even though Terri might have been prepared for the eventuality that Steve could die doing what he did, it must have crossed her mind more than once that he would consider his family and perhaps try for less dangerous creatures.

J.
Tech Diver wrote on 9/5/2006, 10:41 AM
Though I have only seen him on television on rare occasions, he struck me as being a very pleasant fellow. I’m am saddened to hear what happened to him and feel especially bad for his young children.

What I find very strange about his accident is how the stingray could have struck him in the chest. I have gone diving many times with various species of stingrays and have often touched them as they swam by, finding that they are very docile creatures. The poisonous barb of this fish is located near the end of the “tail” and is activated by pressing on the upper surface of the main body. In response, the fish contracts muscles causing the long tail to rapidly come up and over its back like a whip.

Most people who get stung by a stingray get hit in the lower leg area when they accidentally step on one that is buried in the sand. In order to get struck in the chest a diver would have to be hovering over the fish while putting pressure on its back. However, I have often seen photos of shallow-water snorkelers tormenting stingrays by grasping their two “wings” and lifting them out of the water as they stand behind it. This would put the tail in the right position to potentially cause a chest wound. Though I have absolutely no knowledge of the accident details, I strongly suspect that something like this may have happened.
DavidMcKnight wrote on 9/5/2006, 1:09 PM
I don't doubt that something freaky happened, or that the ray was spooked, but the latest news reports are saying that he had done nothing obvious to provoke the ray.
MH_Stevens wrote on 9/5/2006, 1:49 PM
Steve Irwin was a showman - a great showman - and I'm sure he nor Terri ever expected to get seriously hurt. That's why there really was little danger in his stunt with baby Bob. Pity Michael Jackson didn't try that instead of dangling his baby over that hotel balcony.

The Stingray accident was largely freakish as Stingrays seldom kill. There poison is quite treatable and not fast acting and its really a bummer that this ray caused physical trauma to the heart area. Irwin was passing over the top of the Bull Ray and there was a cameraman close so likely the creature just got nervous. Sad whatever happened.

While I'm hear I'll say i think I was a bit hard on yer average Aussie bloke in some of my macho comments earlier. I was just a bit upset about this and was reacting in a "it's always the good that die young" sort of way. Sorry if I offended any one.

Now a question: What is Tall Poppy Syndrome?

EDIT: Answered my own question here>>>>>>

Tall poppy syndrome (TPS) is a pejorative term used in Australia and New Zealand to describe what is seen as a levelling social attitude. Someone is said to be suffering from tall poppy syndrome when their assumption of a higher economic, social or political position attracts criticism, being perceived as presumptuous, attention seeking or without merit.

The term originates from accounts in Aristotle's Politics (Book 5, Chapter 10) and Livy's History of Rome, Book I. Aristotle wrote: "Periander advised Thrasybulus by cutting off the tops of the tallest ears of corn, meaning that he must always put out of the way the citizens who overtop the rest." In Livy's account, the Roman tyrant, Lucius Tarquinius Superbus, received a messenger from his son Sextus asking what he should do next in Gabii, since he had become all-powerful there. Rather than answering the messenger, Tarquinius went into his garden, took a stick, and symbolically swept it across his garden, thus cutting off the heads of the tallest poppies that were growing there. The messenger, tired of waiting for an answer, returned to Gabii and told Sextus what happened, who realised that his father wished him to put to death all the most eminent people of Gabii, which he then did.

A kind of reverse snobbery, this syndrome may have originated in Australasia as a rejection of the British class system. Immigrants to Australia and New Zealand often adopted an egalitarian attitude, viewing people as admirable for what they themselves could do and rejecting the notion that some people are "naturally" superior to their peers by right of birth.

This phenomenon is often misinterpreted by foreign observers as a resentment of others' success. For the majority of the population, however, the targets are those who are seen as taking themselves too seriously or flaunting their success without humility. Apparent cases of tall poppy syndrome can often be explained as resentment not of success but of snobbery and arrogance. Many Australasians have achieved success and wealth without attracting such hostility (e.g. Dick Smith); they usually do so by remaining humble about their achievements and avoiding "lording" their success over others. Thus, Australians and New Zealanders are often self-deprecating, especially those in the public eye.

In modern Australasia, tall poppy syndrome is frequently invoked as an explanation when a public figure is on the receiving end of negative publicity — even if such publicity can be seen as a result of that person's own misconduct.

Belief in the strength of this cultural phenomenon, and the degree to which it represents a negative trait, is to some extent influenced by politics. Conservative commentators, particularly city-based ones, often criticise Australians for their alleged desire to punish the successful. Sometimes, tall poppy syndrome is claimed to be linked to the concept of 'The Politics of Envy'. Critics of the tall poppy syndrome sometimes compare Australia unfavourably to the United States in this respect, in the belief that Americans generally appreciate the successful as an example to admire and attempt to emulate.

Some commentators have argued that tall poppy syndrome may well be a universal phenomenon, accentuated in some cultures. The concept of janteloven, or "Jante law", in Scandinavia is very similar. Similar phenomena are said to exist in Canada and the Netherlands. The Japanese proverb "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down" is particularly well known.

References
Feather, N. T. (1989) Attitudes towards the high achiever: The Fall of the Tall Poppy. "Australian Journal of Psychology, 41," pgs.239-267