"Canon DSLR MOV file to a MPEG-2 to VEG to a MPEG-2 then into IB for conversion to n ISO then a DVD"

stop right there.

i have a canon t2i. i have vegas 10c on an i3 laptop. i edit the mov files in vegas, then, if i'm delivering on the web, i render with main concept avc (mp4). for dvd, the main concept mpeg-2 (no audio) and the dolby digital ac-3 for audio.

if your system is too slow to edit the movs effectively, render your clips to sony mxf or cineform and edit those, then render to mpg and ac-3 for either dvda or ib.

Bill,

I thought I answered your questions on the DVDA forum. You have to author the files first. An ISO is a DISK image, not a file format.

Dave T2

You are making everything much too complicated.

1. Use Vegas to prepare the MPG (video) and AC3 (audio) files.

2. Use DVDA to author the DVD from the .mpg and .ac3 files you made in step 1. When you have things as you want them (video items, menus, etc), click on "Make DVD" and then choose "Burn". Click "Next" until you get to the "Select burn parameters" page. Now, in the box "Device", choose "ISO Image Writer" (instead of your actual DVD writing drive) and enter a suitable filename/location in the "Filename" box. This will write an ISO file to the location you chose.

3. Finally, use IMGBurn to burn a DVD using this ISO file.

Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Mark

I cannot edit my MOV files in Vegas under Pro 8.0c because they HAVE NO SOUND ON THE TIMELINE!!!! I have not tried the Sony MXF method yet.

I was told to get Neoscene and use that to encode to a format that Sony Pro can digest.
I got this NeoScene but when importing the sound file is all corrupted and does not match the video length. I am in discussions with their Tech Staff for an answer on what is wrong there. As an aside, they have an excellent level of response. The one time the guy emailed me a personal reply on a Sunday morning. Incredible!!!

I was also told I could convert from MOV to MPEG-2 which I have been able to do. (With another free software download…) During that time I needed a new DVD Authoring program. I bought into DVDA but the MPEG-2's format needed a separate sound file which threw me way off course plus it was only making Coasters. Then I was told to use something like ImgBurn to get a ISO image and just burn that; which is fine by me aside from the fact there is no audio present.

In summation I am going CRAZY!! Since I got the camera 9 months ago I still have not output a good DVD. I've downloaded 4 new programs with a $140.00 outlay and I am sitting on 6 filmed theatrical documentaries at 720i which look pretty darned good compared to SD 480. However, this whole MOV thing is not moving me very well. If you are a Newbie videographer and have a PC, think about this a second. Isn't Quicktime/MOV more native to an Apple environment????

DaveT2: I know you advised me to in essence go back to DVDA to retest my new knowledge from the forums which I appreciate. Soon I will do that and file a report.

However, regardless of what I get from DVDA I do plan to find out what is "wrong" with my efforts with ImgBurn and MPEG-2. Even if there's only a few crusty moldering folks left still messing around with MPEG-2 in Vegas Pro and IB I will find them so help me God. I am not easily thrown off the path and have a lot of patience otherwise. Also, if I can get this to work it will give me a Plan B if something happens to DVDA.

Respectfully,
Bill

Bill,

I know you are confused, but I don't understand why you are trying to use a DISK BURNING program (imageburn) to create MPEG2 files with audio.

You need to create an MPEG2 file. Create an AC3 audio file. Use DVDA or some other DVD authoring file to create a DVD or a DVD ISO file. Then you use Imgburn to burn the ISO file to a disk. You don't do anything with an MPEG2 file and IMGBURN.

If you just want an MPEG2 file on a DVD disk, not a Video DVD, then render the MPEG2 file with an MPEG1 audio track. Then you can burn that directly to a disk using IMGBURN. But this is not a VIDEO DVD. This is a DATA DISK that has an MPEG file on it.

The only time you burn an ISO is when you create an ISO from DVDA or some other authoring program that creates ISOs.

Within DVDA, you have to import both the MPEG file and the AC3 file and put them on the same timeline. This is part of the authoring process.

Dave T2

I know you are confused, but I don't understand why you are trying to use a DISK BURNING program (imageburn) to create MPEG2 files with audio.

DaveT2- I am not using the Ib program to create the Mpeg2 file. I am using Any Video Convertor to do this from the original MOV file. Then I edit it in Vegas as a VEG then re-encode as a MPEG2 with AC-3 - 2 files in Explorer view. Same names, different extensions.

But then in IB it asks for a Source file and where to put the ISO it will create. However it seems like it cannot handle the 2 files to make into the ISO with sound. That is my hangup with this particular program.
You mention a "Data Disk" and a MPEG-1 sound file. That is all new to me in terms of workflow creation. Maybe that's the hangup with ImgBurn.I'll look into that soon also.

Thanks,
Bill

Bill,

Forget about IB right now. It does not do what you think it does. IB is a disk burning program. It either creates an ISO image (disk image) burns an ISO image to a disk or burns files to a disk.

It DOES NOT merge video and audio files. You need a MUX program to do that. Or you need to author the files thru a DVD authoring program.

Take IB out of the equation and maybe explain EXACTLY what you are trying to accomplish and we can try to help.

Dave T2

Update:

I was able to get a DAR project going in DVDA but have some orphaned menus or titles not sure which. I seem to have linked the main video file okay as it did create a full VOB file and it plays back okay in Media Player with sound!! and chapter links okay also.
On the generic title page there is a hot-linked text panel that starts the playback.
On the main timeline view there was just one video track and one audio track is that right?
In the Media player listings there are 2 titles listings and both show all the chapters this does not seem right.
Well my head is spinning and as far as the next step I'll see what folks might say and have another shot tomorrow night at adjustments or burning.

Thanks again!
Bill

PS Is there a way to respond to all comments so I can view them all???

"On the main timeline view there was just one video track and one audio track is that right?"

Yes,

"In the Media player listings there are 2 titles listings and both show all the chapters this does not seem right."

I assume you mean Windows Media Player?
If so I would not trust it to play an authored DVD correctly. I think the latest releases may but to really check your DVD you should use either a dedicated DVD playing app or a set top DVD player.
I think the reason you see 2 titles is because the menu itself appears as a playable 'title' which a proper DVD player would not.

Bill, mate,

You really seem to have gotten yourself into one mighty knot. Don't feel bad, years ago when starting out I had much the same experience, much banging head on wall and kicking the poor dog. You really need to step back, relax and take the pressure off. Forget about the clock ticking as you try to get your movie made and take the time to see the big pictures. You're getting lots of really good advice from the people above but you're somehow I think muddling up the questions and answers.

I'd suggest just throwing something onto the T/L, editing it with some music, forget about it being good or the problems with footage from your camera, just get something out to DVDA and then author a DVD. Making a DVD can take more time than editing the actual movie. Authoring a DVD is arguably more complex than editing so really take the time to get your head around the process, down the road you'll be glad you did.

For what it's worth I author in DVDA, I use it to put the files into a folder on a local HDD and then use ImgBurn to burn the files. ImgBurn is smart enough to know where the VIDEO_TS folder goes and how to organise the DVD Video disk structure. I've never bothered going down the ISO image path.

Bob.

>> I cannot edit my MOV files in Vegas under Pro 8.0c because they HAVE NO SOUND ON THE TIMELINE!!!! <<

Bill, recent Quicktime versions do not play nice with Vegas Pro 8.0c. If your Quicktime version is later than 7.6.2 then uninstall it and download Quicktime 7.6.2 instead. If you use iTunes then you'll have to go back to version 8.2.1 to get Quicktime 7.6.2 included with it.

If you continue to get trouble with your workflow, and want to be handheld through the whole process of rendering, authoring and burning, then you could throw another $100 at it and use TMPGEnc Authoring Works. You'd also get the added benefit of better MPEG-2 encoding than the MainConcept encoder in Vegas.

Nick:

Hi. I keep trying to install the 2.92 QT Alt version but cannot get a valid .exe file for it. I've DL'd and run it twice.
Had uninstalled the newer version also under add/remove programs. Then I deleted a Registry entry under Apple Computer on a line for Quicktime... Maybe I should not have done that.
Then I ran my Uniblue Registry Cleaner but got a restore point before it deleted some invalid entries and what not.
Also it wanted me to establish a registration number to use it. Is that a necessity? It was a free download how can I get a valid number, if needed?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks,
Bill

Go easy on deleting registry entries manually. You can very quickly wreck your entire setup.

I don't know about the Uniblue Registry Cleaner. I've used Tweaknow registry cleaner for number of years and it's done well for me, although it's starting to get bloated in the very recent versions. I'm using version 5.2.

Weird that you can't get Quicktime Alternative to install. A reboot between uninstalling and reinstalling Quicktime is a very good idea.

Any prompt for a serial number may be for Quicktime Pro. You don't need that for decoding Quicktime in Vegas.

Err... unless you're talking about a registration number for Uniblue???

Nick:

Thanks for the Registry tip. On the start>all programs>Quicktime Alternative there are 3 menu picks:
Configuration
Help
Uninstall

And yes the Config pick (about) is for a version of QT Pro 7.6.2 - not sure where that came from but I did see a unpacked version of QT in my downloads folder.

Also in my downloads folder are 2 entries for the QT Alt. But when I run them it does not lead to a valid install. It does establish a folder for it under C>Programs>QT Alt. with 12 various files but no clear .exe launch icon.

Under Add/Remove there is a 39.58 MB entry for QT Alternative 2.9.2 and it seems like a valid install listing. But where is the .exe link at?

Should I try a later version to see if that takes if not I may have a corrupted registry entry that does not store the executable data.

Note: The regis. number was for the QT discussion part.

Thanks,
Bill

Just wanted to throw out I got a good burn to a DVD-R from DVDA!!
2.1 GB in just under 6 minutes.

This is some real good progress for now.

Thanks for all your help earlier in the week.

Sincerely,
Bill

MOV updates:

This is interesting. Despite having no self-launching QT player I can web-import and play a MOV under a "QuickTime Plugin" version 7.6.2.

But before I did that I thought I would try to drag a MOV clip from my camera's holding folder and lo and behold it set up fine with the sound attached!! I quickly saved it as a .veg project.

Will wonders never cease.

I am a little concerned about loading in new movies from the SD card and if they are okay then I really don't need a installed QT player. After all, I have a PC - ha ha ha ha...

Thx,
Bill

"This is interesting. Despite having no self-launching QT player I can web-import and play a MOV under a "QuickTime Plugin" version 7.6.2."

The "player" is launched by the OS based on what applications you've told it to associate with what file extensions. I generally use VLC to play QT files having only installed the alternate QT Lite package. From memory installing that creates no executable application, I think that's where you've been confused.

You can manage file associations yourself through the OS. One of the objections to the "official" version of QT from Apple is by default it makes their player the player for just about every file type i.e. "tries to take over your system".

Bob.