The health risks with 3d tv make the cam dead before its out of the stable.

Reports now say children under 6 shouldn't watch 3d tv at all.

We need "TECHNOLOGY NOW" cams that are good in low light, 1080 60p, and 422 with global shutters and high bit rate. It's that simple.

This is just another cam I won't buy for my business.

These new cams are a dime a dozen and very cheap to build with a high mark up. The lens are the only part worth something.

"We need "TECHNOLOGY NOW" cams that are good in low light, 1080 60p, and 422 with global shutters and high bit rate. It's that simple."

60p at this stage of the game is little more than a consumer gimmick... most surely NOT ready for prime time.

Looks like one could easily spend a fortune on glass for this one.

I must be an idiot because I think this thing has a great picture and a lot of potential.

Aaah Sony sony sony...
24p, 30p, 60p, any format+p at the end please.
We're in 2010 now ... interlaced is, well, good for museum imo.

Yeah... 2010.... 24p REEEEEALY fits the times! ;)

Truthfully... 24p is an old has-been that needs to die. 30p isn't really supported by anything out in the real world, and 60p is still too far out in left field to be taken seriously.

Regardless to what this cam shoots for a format though... the video presented is quite stunning.

>Regardless to what this cam shoots for a format... the video presented is quite stunning.

I agree. That footage looks stunning!

"30p isn't really supported by anything out in the real world,"

Huh?

720p25 and 720p30 is a standard HD delivery format.
Certainly plenty of 720p25 going to air in this country and all of Europe.

Bob.

The footage looks amazing, even though the image is first captured as 30p progressive video, then encoded as 60i interlaced (which makes for less efficient compression), then deinterlaced for display in 30p on computer screens, LCD TVs, LED TVs, Plasma TVs, iPads, iPhones, Android phones, etc.

(It can still do 60i playback on a CRT TV at the Museum of Television and Radio, although normal CRTs can't handle 1080 lines with full resolution.)

Really amazing that they chose interlaced even today. You'd think they would have forcibly laid the last TV engineer to rest by now, with a silver stake through his heart and a 50 lb. bag of garlic on top, just to be safe from more interlacing.


24p is an old has-been that needs to die.

So you don't think it's an aesthetic choice?


30p isn't really supported by anything out in the real world

Umm, except computer screens, video projectors, LCD TVs, LED TVs, Plasma TVs, iPads, iPhones, Android phones, etc.

So what it's really capturing is 30PsF60?

If so hardly much of an issue, just tell your NLE to do a field merge and the problem is solved. At least in Vegas this is a doodle, everything will be processed as 30p and the you render out pristine 30p.

My only concern is that if the camera has been designed to record interlaced video correctly then the vertical resolution is going to be limited to around 800 lines.

Bob.

1080-30p and above is not supported by the Blu-Ray spec.
HD 1080-anything is marginally playable on many computers, and requires a ridiculously high connection speed to stream without interruptions.

OK, we can shoot it. Now what?
Deliverability first.

Uh rob, what do you actually propose?
Interlaced 22108fps?
Interlaced 87fps?
Interlaced 9fps? (you'd have a problem here, nope?)

My point was *interlaced* is OUT.
Nowadays, TV sets and computer monitors are progressive devices.

24fps... well, I suppose you don't go to theatre anymore since it's sooo outdated and should get ditched in a trash can.

"Huh?
on computers maybe... certainly not on any Blu Ray or dvd I've seen.

And the 25p... that's Europe's equivalent to our 24p.

"My point was *interlaced* is OUT."

You are so far off base it's not even funny.
Interlace may be old in YOUR little neighborhood.... but check out the rest of the world.

And on the stills side: 14Mpixels. Wow !











... but no RAW
So what's the point about spending 2000 bucks so far ?

I won't even get into that ''stunning sound quality'' cause I know people will shoot with that cam and still be asking how they can get rid of that wind noise or how they can boost that 150 feet away guy's voice ...
Again, a jack of all trades, master of none ''very well marketted'' item to me.

"on computers maybe"

No, over the air broadcasting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p

At the end of the day if something is delived as interlaced or progessive is largely irrelevant. 30PsF60 will look the same as 30p anyway.

I cannot speak for 1080p30 on BD however although not formally covered in the specs and as revealed here some time ago 25p works just fine on BD disks, I have no reason to imagine 30p would also not work.

For those who say modern displays are always progressive that's wrong too. Decent LCD monitors can correctly display interlaced video.

Bob.

Decent LCD monitors can correctly display interlaced video.

Correct, but the decency costs $4,000 and up.

"No, over the air broadcasting."

Okay... frame rate or resolution... make up your mind which one you want to discuss here....

Interlaced dates from the 20s.
Everything that will ''adapt'' to that is just a backwards compatible thing.
And to me, it' HAS to be more of a broadcaster's problem than mine.
The faster we'll get rid of this, the better it will be.
Just getting rid of that ''which field order should I use?'' topics would be one of the benefits.

No, over the air broadcasting.

Of the ten majors and indies in my reception area, we got seven 1080i, two 720p, and one 480i (the last being a low-rent PBS outfit).

"The faster we'll get rid of this, the better it will be."

Well sooner or later we WILL get rid of it, we're just not there yet. As stated 24p is old and does not offer any kind of "smoothness" and 30 p is nothing but a stop-gap because we can't completely handle 60p as of yet in any kind of universal fashion.

"Okay... frame rate or resolution... make up your mind which one you want to discuss here.... "

Sorry but I thought we were discussing a camera.
So far from what I know about the camera it acquires 30 frames per second, splits those frames into fields and records that as 60 fields per second. You can put that directly to air as 60i but it will still look the same as 30p.

Editing such footage on a 60i is not entirely wise as you can end up with an oddball mess with truly interlaced dissolves and FXs. This can cause heartburn for de-interlacers and scalers. Generally better to do a field merge and edit on a 30p timeline. From that you can split into fields and output 60i or not split into fields and ouput 30p. If you wanted 720p30 then all that's involved is scaling the frames.

As I said before though all of this is just basic video science and is quite irrelevant to any sane discussion about a camera. What matters is how the sensor is scanned in this context.

Bob.