Here is what David Taylor had to say about Slumdog.

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/cineform-software-showcase/141421-slumdog-millionaire-shot-using-cineform-raw.html

Regarding MXF files, they are nothing but 35 Mbps VBR MPEG2 files wrapped in an MXF wrapper. If they work for you, great, but I don't think they look as good as Cineform files and they certainly won't look as good after a couple of generations.

Agreed. For stuff going to DVD, web, etc., Sony's MXF is a delight to work with. I qualify that as there are a LOT of codecs that can go in an MXF file.

Interesting on the Slumdog comment from David Taylor.

John, are you aware that there are a multitude of formats that can go in that MXF container from within Vegas? One of them being a VERY nice 50Mbps 4:2:2 variant?

Okay.. I read the other post and am now really concerned about using HDLink. But I want to go to Cineform. How would I use Vegas with that codec? I want to batch render with Peachrock Multi render using the Cineform codec.. is that possible? It can do anything vegas does so it would be the same set up.


thanks guys.. (this stuff is so far over my head it is not even funny).

peace

" I want to batch render with Peachrock Multi render using the Cineform codec.. is that possible?"

I cannot imagine any reason it would not be. Setup template to create what you want and then use the Multirenderer to automate Vegas doing the render.

Bob..

First you set up a render template for the script to use. It could be Peachrock, Ultimate S, Production Assistant or in this case Proxy Stream.

I have posted a screen video demonstrating making a Cineform render template for you. It is at http://amediaprof.com

It is the top post.

KK

Did I notice in the screen demo of making a Cineform template that the audio was set for 44.1k? It should be 48k for most applications. Vegas defaults to 44.1k on most of its project templates and that's wrong, too. The only time I use 44.1k for video is when making web videos for those rare occasions where the viewer might not have a soundcard capable of 48k.

The source which was being transcoded was 44.1K. I try to avoid changing sample rates when possible. Sorry, that makes it look weird. I should have set it for more normal circumstances :-)

Yeah wow.. thanks a million dude. I posted this on your blog

That was incredible thoughtful KK. Thanks you so very much. I don’t know why you concern yourself with other peoples problems but it sure is nice for us. You must be a very kind person.
The video is great, very clear for idiots like me.
Take care and may God bless you."

I just wanted to make sure.. I simulated your settings for "Interleave ever (seconds): to 0.000

and the "pixel aspet to 1.333 mine was on square..don't know why


and the "Up convert 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 upon decode (default on) "- in the Cineform settings.
these all seem right to me...

Very cool man. Thanks a million.

Nooooooo! The interleave must be set to something other that 0 seconds. Set it to .250 seconds, never set it to 0.000.

Pixel aspect ratio is a little complicated. If the source is HDV, then set it to 1.3333 at 1440x1080.

okay.. thank you for that tidbit of info (does the world blow up? or at least my world. haha).

1.333 at 1440x1080 but what about for 1920x1080?



Joshua

pixel aspet to 1.333 mine was on square..don't know why

If it is set to square when it should be 1.33, it will more likely implode.

Well then we can all thank John Cline from keeping the world from exploding/imploding.

seriously, I don't know what I would do with out you guys.. other than nothing. hehe

thanks a million. (not too long and I will get to a million).

I keep convincing my self that someday I will contribute something to this forum.

Both 1920x1080 and 1280x720 use square pixels.

Sorry about that, the only settings I meant for you to copy were the ones I clicked. The others were for that source I was working with. I had better pull that thing before someone else gets confused.

Settings that were non-standard:
Audio was 44.1K sample rate. Most of the time you are going to use 48K

Interleave
It was set to free run, normally you will be using about 0.250

Pixel Aspect Ratio
For NTSC land it would be like this ...
720x480 .90
720x480 widescreen 1.2121
1280x720 1.0
1440x1080 1.333
1920x1080 1.0

If there is anything else I can confuse you on let me know :-) I learned a valuable lesson tonight. Clear what I am working on and use clean standard set ups when recording a demo.

hi kkolbo,

I followed your settings to go through the render process from AVI, to the YUV (uncompressed) template, over to custom, and Cineform video format is not listed on my version of Vegas. There are others listed such as Intel, and Microsoft, as well as a couple of Sony YUV versions. Is that just the way it is ?

Or do I need to download the codec ?

I have Vegas Pro version 9.0e

Thanks,

Will

Hello Will,

I will catch up (see everyone, I can contribute something to this forum. :O)

The reason that you are not seeing is because you don't have it. You would have to purchase this http://www.cineform.com/neoscene/
Right now I am using the trial. I think that when it expires everything will disapear and I will have to install this http://estore.cineform.com/neoplayer.aspx to see the files or purchase the program. correct me if I am wrong.

KK, I should have known that about the settings, I wondered so I asked. Seems obvious now.

Thanks again everyone.

peace

Once NeoScene expires, it disables encoding, but decoding continues to work fine. No need for NeoPlayer.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm