VMP wrote on 9/30/2014, 4:51 PM

I am going to skip Windows 8 and jump to 10 in the near future :-).

OldSmoke wrote on 9/30/2014, 5:01 PM
Yup, I got two Win8 DVDs in the drawer and I guess they will not see the inside of my DVD drive.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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JJKizak wrote on 9/30/2014, 5:19 PM
Gee, the new guy gets in and already he junked Windows 9. Must have been a turkey.
Kit wrote on 9/30/2014, 6:15 PM
That article fails to mention the main problem with Windows 8 - the in your face drive to force users to use a Microsoft account and increasing lack of privacy. Microsoft wanting to be Apple.
DrLumen wrote on 9/30/2014, 6:49 PM
I'm going to stick with Win7 for the foreseeable future. MS is wanting to get into the yearly/monthly subscription thing. Win7 will likely be my last MS OS.

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Hulk wrote on 9/30/2014, 7:07 PM
I too am quite satisfied with Windows 7.

Seems like the jump from 8 to 10 is a move of desperation. Hey look over here! We have a really, really new OS for your laptop and desktop PC. Forget about your smart phone (which is getting smarter by the month) and your tablet, phablet, etc..
fldave wrote on 9/30/2014, 7:18 PM
So Vista came out, and it was a dumbed down version of what ultimately became Win7. Love Win7.

Win8, I hate my wife's touch screen laptop. Hoped that Win9 would have fixed that. Guess we are going directly to a new Vista-level product?
VMP wrote on 9/30/2014, 7:20 PM
Love my W7 Ultimate. I would only test & use W10 on another device/ PC.

riredale wrote on 9/30/2014, 7:22 PM
Anybody know why they jumped over 9? Does "9" mean something bad in other languages, or bad luck or whatever?

Wait a second, I think I know. It's because Apple's most recent release is OSX, so MS figures it needs to bring out its own version 10.

I seem to recall something like this happened some years ago with Firefox. Their numbering scheme was "behind" Internet Explorer's, so they simply jumped ahead.
PeterWright wrote on 9/30/2014, 7:26 PM
Why don't they do a Spinal Tap and go straight to 11 ?
astar wrote on 9/30/2014, 8:06 PM
I really do not understand the win8 hate. Win8 as a desktop OS has its advantages over 7, like a start menu search that is lightning fast compared to 7. Much better compatibility modes for legacy apps, and if that does not get it done, load up a vm in hyper-v. Less hardware resources, I was running win8 preview on a p4 with 2 gb of ram and it was very quick and useable. Boot times are faster, especially with an SSD. I might be in the minority here, but I like the full screen start menu and feel its a vast improvement over the old win95/nt4 start button. Scrolling through a seemingly endless list of apps and sub folders in win7 got old and tedious. I enjoy having apps I use more often scaled to sizes that are easier to visually find. When I find myself working on my corporate laptop with an SSD and win7, I find myself waiting and waiting to do things that seem instant on win8. As for Vegas, I find it works just about as stable on either platform. I do not use full screen metro apps much, but I understand what they were going for with winrt apps, trying to unify the interface between devices. Win8 was just as dynamic of a change as win95, however, win95 had less competition and most users are curmudgeonly and stuck in the past, unwilling to learn something new.
fldave wrote on 9/30/2014, 8:25 PM
My only experience on Win8 was on my wife's HP touch screen. Totally non-intuitive, can't find anything "Windows-like" historically, and now her screen is upside down after every reboot.

Total waste of business time.
GeeBax wrote on 9/30/2014, 8:26 PM
[i] however, win95 had less competition and most users are curmudgeonly and stuck in the past, unwilling to learn something new.[/I]

So you have done a comprehensive survey to arrive at the conclusion that 'most users are curmudgeonly and stuck in the past'?

If you read the article announcing Win 10, the view is expressed that Win 8 failed completely to win over customers, especially in business environments, and any sampling of the people on this forum would reveal a group of people who are quite at home with using computers in a far more advanced form than the average home users. And if this group in general is not that comfortable with Win 8, then that in itself is a good indicator.

As for Win 8 being faster, I had the experience of installing Win 8 over Win 7 on the same All-In-One computer and I saw no speed increase at all. My wife hates it and I am considering back-dating her AIO to Win 7. As fldave says, nothing intuitive about it and no familiarity with the previous systems.
ushere wrote on 9/30/2014, 9:02 PM
8 was an unmitigated disaster - almost admitted to by m$.

9 was probably win 7.5, but they couldn't really see how to market that, so let's pretend everything is new again so we can charge, subscribe, store, cajole people, and preferably enterprise into believing some has REALLY changed other than the gui....

btw. i AM an old curmudgeon - who would happily throw all my computers in the trash if i didn't need to use them to make a living.
VidMus wrote on 9/30/2014, 10:07 PM
I have windows 8.1 on my notebook computer and I like it there. My editing system has Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit and I like it there.

I do not like Windows 8 on my editing system and I do not like Windows 7 on my notebook.

My notebook is for internet surfing and general computing while my editing system is exclusively for audio/video/graphics work.

The right tool for the job.

PeterDuke wrote on 9/30/2014, 11:52 PM
(Re Win 8) "Scrolling through a seemingly endless list of apps and sub folders in win7 got old and tedious. I enjoy having apps I use more often scaled to sizes that are easier to visually find."

With win 7 and prior, I have always put icons of most of my apps on the desktop and group them according to function. I use a plain background for better visibility.


I don't think I could ever learn to love those purple and green tiles of Win 8. I shudder every time I see them.
PixelStuff wrote on 10/1/2014, 12:16 AM
So with Windows 10 they must be trying to correct the versioning they screwed up with Windows 7.

Windows NT 3.1 - (#3 artificially)
Windows NT 4.0 - (#4)
Windows 2000 - (#5)
Windows XP - (#6)
Windows Vista - (#7)
Windows 7 - (#8)
Windows 8 - (#9)
Windows 10 - (#10 finally back on track)

Chienworks wrote on 10/1/2014, 2:15 AM
Actually WinXP announces itself as "Windows 5", so your count is off a bit. 2000 and NT4 are both #4.

There was a Windows 9 announced and i believe some preview versions of it shipped.

My uncle summed up his dislike of Windows 8 when i was helping him set up his new laptop. His work office had given him a 2-install license of Microsoft office 365. When he installed it on his Win7 desktop all went perfectly well as expected and worked fine. When he installed it on his Win8 laptop, it *REQUIRED* him to create a Microsoft account to install, and *REQUIRED* him to log in to said account to use the software. His objections were two-fold. Creating the account asked for a lot of information that he didn't want to give. And, his concern is what if he wants to use this software when he's sitting somewhere without online access?

He also absolutely detests the tile interface.
Arthur.S wrote on 10/1/2014, 3:09 AM
I think a lot of the 'detesting' is just pure dislike of a new way of doing things. I use 8.1 both on my laptop, AND my editing m/c now. (dual boot with win 7). On the odd times I use 7 (I keep all my adobe stuff on there) I do find it slow and clunky. I too hated win 8 at first. I only installed it as a last throw at getting a stable Vegas 12. It worked. The one thing I seriously dislike is the lack of an 'X' on some windows to close them down - you have to click back to the desktop. Silly. If someone can give me a shortcut for that I'd be happpppppyyy!! :-)

On the whole though, I find it so much quicker and slicker. I wouldn't to go back to any earlier version.

Edit: you don't HAVE to create an MS account to use 8 or 8.1. But, MS have sneakily made it look like you do. ;-)
altarvic wrote on 10/1/2014, 4:06 AM
press Alt+F4 to close a window - works in all Windows versions
TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/1/2014, 6:10 AM
Win 7 is the worst things about Vista + XP rolled in to one, but faster. Win 8 is most of the junk removed & a lot nicer to use.

I haven't met a person who DIDN'T like Win 8 after they were forced to use it for a week or so. The hate reminds me of those videos about 9 year olds not knowing how to use an Apple II. Except the people aren't 9, they just don't know and don't want to know.

The biggest downside of Win 8 is that you have to use the classic UI even if you don't want to, unless you want to use only apps. Ugh.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 10/1/2014, 6:16 AM
10 is similar to X of OSX, and more significantly to X in XP which is (UI-wise at least) where most people were happiest.

Win8 search maybe be faster than 7's, but neither are as intuitive and easy to use as the UI of XP's Windows Desktop Search add-on.

Geoff_Wood wrote on 10/1/2014, 6:20 AM
"Pure dislike of new way...".

Yep, sure is. Especially when the new way is less intuitive and in the guise of helping you do what it thinks you want to, actually impedes one from getting to where one knows one wants to be (a 'feature' introduced in W7).

JJKizak wrote on 10/1/2014, 6:56 AM
Remember that they are trying to get kids to buy it using pictures galore. But then again most kids can run circles around me.