Pleural Eyes? In Need of An Upgrade? Even Better..

Grazie wrote on 12/12/2014, 12:51 AM
Now's the time: I just got my Upgrade cost even further reduced by the 40% in the GIANT SALE! No Brainer-Land.



johnmeyer wrote on 12/12/2014, 12:00 PM
Unless it really provides useful features, I think it is far from a no-brainer. In particular, PluralEyes 3 was full of problems, and offered almost no useful additional functionality. Like others, I immediately went back to version 2. PluralEyes is a product that is somewhat of a "one-trick-pony," meaning that it does one thing, without much depth or breadth in product features.

I am very averse to upgrades because so few companies are offering much that is new and useful. Heck, I still do most of my video editing in Vegas 7 & 8, even though I own all the later versions. Even after editing in Vegas 13, when I go back to 7, I never miss anything. I can list on the fingers of one hand the useful features Sony has added between Vegas 8 and Vegas 13.

There are a few companies that still produce big upgrades. iZotope RX1-RX2-RX3 were big jumps. Unfortunately, RX4 seems to be the end of the line for them. Most of what they did was to let a few of the "Advanced" features slip into the basic package, and their marketing people called that an upgrade.

So, upgrade if you want, but if it doesn't let you get your work done more quickly, or produce a better result, my advice is to save the money and buy everyone another round at the Friday pub crawl, using the extra money you'll now have. Much better return on that investment.
Grazie wrote on 12/12/2014, 12:52 PM
I bought the £20 quid upgrade and I'll ALSO buy yah a beer Johno!


xberk wrote on 12/13/2014, 11:46 AM
Grazie ... I'm seeing Plural Eyes 3.5 for upgrade price of $79 US .. So how are you getting this down to 20 quid? -- Paul

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 12:31 PM
Sorry Paul, my mistake I got it for £29.90 .

I was able to apply the 40% Discount that RG were running, no brainer for me:

"Last chance to get 40% off everything in the Red Giant Store
Sale ends: 12/10/14 at 11:00am PST"

I see it's popped back upto $79.00


Arthur.S wrote on 12/13/2014, 12:39 PM
Soooo...the 64,000 dollar question....what's better about it?
Byron K wrote on 12/13/2014, 1:55 PM
I'm very disappointed w/ PE3. It still says that it doesn't recognize the audio from some video clips. I use PE2 and everything syncs up fine. I don't give a damn about the nicer GUI, I just need it to work.
Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 4:17 PM
Wrong thread.

johnmeyer wrote on 12/13/2014, 4:26 PM
Soooo...the 64,000 dollar question....what's better about it?Exactly. The whole thread is based on what has too often turned out to be a false premise, namely that newer is better. As I already posted -- and others have agreed -- version 3 was buggy and didn't have any useful new features.

So what is so great about this version??

BK, here yah go : Merc4 v Merc3.Wrong thread: this is about PluralEyes, not Mercalli.
Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 4:35 PM
Thanks John.


Byron K wrote on 12/13/2014, 4:39 PM
LOL! Thanks Grazie! I pulled the trigger on Mercalli 4. Haven't installed it yet tho! (;
Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 5:17 PM
Yeah, if Merc4 starts syncing Video/Audio together, that'll be the PE version.


Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 5:27 PM
John Meyer: "Exactly. The whole thread is based on what has too often turned out to be a false premise, namely that newer is better."
Don't believe I said that - John? My no-brainer comment was "based" or driven by what I felt was the astonishing price/upgrade cost and in which that TOO was further discounted by the 40%. To me that's a no-brainer. If I was stating that PE3 was better than PE2, I would have said so. Nope, on this occasion it was purely about the money side of things.

And, BTW, I don't necessarily see that newer is always better.

BTW2, I did some simple PE experiments and found PE3 faster and more responsive.


johnmeyer wrote on 12/13/2014, 6:44 PM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but free for junk is still too much money. Therefore, without answering the question above (the one I quoted in my last post) about what is good about the new release, the thread really does get reduced to nothing more than "it is new, there is a discount, therefore I can't pass it up."

I'll pass it up every time unless it does something useful, no matter how cheap.
Grazie wrote on 12/13/2014, 11:35 PM
John Meyer: "...but free for junk is still too much money. " I'll keep that in mind.


Arthur.S wrote on 12/14/2014, 11:19 AM
I'm still curious Grazie - what's better about it? Just wondering. I love PE2, but skipped 3 after so many poor reviews. What makes PE4 worth buying? (Regardless of price).
Grazie wrote on 12/14/2014, 2:38 PM
(PE 3.55)

Arthur.S, I said it two post above this. Also, try their website. Why not have a go with the free download?

And again, and again....the price was the major decision, and a wish to get another tool under my belt.


johnmeyer wrote on 12/14/2014, 2:41 PM

I think the reason that Grazie hasn't replied is that the answer is that there isn't anything at all that is new. I just checked the PluralEyes site to see for myself what new features they are touting:

PluralEyes 3.5 Features

The first thing I noticed is that the newest version is 3.5. The version I bought that didn't work was 3.2. That version didn't have any useful new features compared with version 2.x.

I then went through the features on the page I link to above, and then opened the "What's New" document in my 3.2 download from a year ago. There is absolutely nothing new listed in version 3.5 that isn't already in version 3.2. Therefore, I think the most you can expect is some bug fixes. If you already own version 3.x, which came with version 2.x, then you can definitely skip this version. You certainly should not spend even one shilling (do shillings still exist?) on the "upgrade" if you own 3.2. And, if you own 2.x, unless you know for certain that the bugs we all found in 3.2 are fixed, then you most definitely should not get the upgrade.

[edit]This page has all the release notes for each incremental release of 3.x:

PluralEyes Release Notes

[edit#2]I just read through all the release notes for each version since 3.2.0. "Smart Start" is the only feature added throughout the nine releases since that version. It sounds like it could save a little time, if it works, but is probably not a "gotta have." The other two things added are bug fixes and support for Red.

Grazie wrote on 12/14/2014, 2:56 PM
John, I hadn't responded 'cos it was only till now that I just read ArthurS request for a "NEW" list. Nothing more nothing less.

Right at the outset of this thread I prefixed this by inviting people if they were in need of the 3.55 Upgrade - if they we're in need of the upgrade. And, as this was a time sensitive DISCOUNT I wanted to make people aware that option was available.

videoITguy wrote on 12/14/2014, 4:01 PM
for the questions and those who question in this thread. AFAIK and my observation has been that Red Giant as pr manager for this product does not look on announcing bug-fixes as ultimate reasons for changes in version number. Some of you will question why not the full disclosure by the company.
It is just a philosophy of software selling- I don't argue for it or against it. It is just the way the company chooses to deal with releases.
johnmeyer wrote on 12/14/2014, 4:14 PM
And again, and again....the price was the major decision, and a wish to get another tool under my belt. Well, if you don't have PluralEyes at all, and if you can get a big discount, and if you can still downgrade to version 2, then for those who don't have it, this is a good deal, and your post is useful. However, the title of the thread, and the thrust of your initial post was all about an upgrade which made it sound like they had just recently come out with a bunch of new features. That is not the case, and therefore "in need of an upgrade" when there isn't really an upgrade that anyone is likely to need (because there are no new features, except for the "smart start") is really misleading. I have been trying to correct that misleading impression, but you keep repeating it.

it was only till now that I just read ArthurS request for a "NEW" list. Well, if you go back and read both his posts, that is what he asked for both times.

I'm not trying to be a pain, but your Mercalli thread is basically the same concept as this one, but that one is all about what sounds like some really amazing new features. As a result, it is really, really useful.

This one, like "Seinfeld," is all about nothing.
Grazie wrote on 12/14/2014, 4:42 PM
And again, I saw the option to upgrade with another DISCOUNT on top; if anybody wished to upgrade, this would have been a great time to do it. It only cost me £30. It was RG calling it an upgrade - nothing to do with me. The wish to pass this good news on was my motive.

As to responding to the earlier ArthurS post, I wanted to do some of my own tests. And from my earliest test with mixed PRO XLR Rode iPhone audio, and Canon audio/video over an hours worth of Media, PE 355 did it beautifully, and fast too.



CJB wrote on 12/14/2014, 5:03 PM
Actually, there are some new features. One of which I have taken advantage of, playback of my hacked AVCHD/.mts files. It also mentioned something about correction for sync drift but my files aren't long enough to see that.
Arthur.S wrote on 12/15/2014, 1:50 PM
Grazie, not trying to bash you over the head with it, I just didn't see anything that would make it worth upgrading, so curious as to what (apart from price) you saw in it. I think it's time to kill this thread eh? :-)
Grazie wrote on 12/15/2014, 4:37 PM
Arthur.S: "I just didn't see anything that would make it worth upgrading"Sure, I understand. However, for me, for a relatively small amount of £30, I'd be getting the following:

1] Sync Drift correction: "In long clips, sound and video can stop matching up perfectly. - I tested this with both shorter and now longer sections of video and it does a great job which previously I saw some "dithering", or kludging, but 355 looks like it is having no issues. I'll keep plugging away - only time will tell I guess.

2] More accurate Sync: "Now, new algorithms in PluralEyes 3.5 make it faster and more accurate than anything out there." I'm all for more accuracy, so wanted to get that into my mix. Again, £30 seemed to me a small worthwhile expenditure.

Now if it had been a lot more money, then maybe I would have past it up. And again, I was wanting/wishing my colleagues here to have the option to road-test and possibly make use of the 40% discount.

To recap, 2 separate things that I saw in the video and read in the blurb PLUS the 40% off, made me decide. Also I really don't know how much "bug" fixing had gotten through to be part of the paid UPGRADE, but having been involved with testing bug-squashing with others, on other s/w, much of the later builds do contain better workflow software.