Possible solution for slow-loading 9d

CClub wrote on 5/8/2010, 5:05 AM

(I didn't want this possibility to get lost in this http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=708950&Replies=17Any News post[/link], so I'm creating a new posting)

STOP THE PRESSES!! Could the repair be this easy?? Replacing the dll file again?? Read below:

My primary veg was opening in 9c in less than a minute. When I upgraded to 9d, it was taking 21 minutes. I was just over on DVINFO.net, and the http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/what-happens-vegas/477686-cineform-codec-playback-issues-vegas-pro-9-a.htmlSolution[/link] that worked with Cineform problems when V9 first came out seems to be the solution right now.

I followed the directions in the http://www.custcenter.com/cgi-bin/sonypictures.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4558Sony response[/link] in the link above, and now the veg that was taking 21 minutes to load only took exactly 57 seconds. I'm a bit wary, as there have been several proposed solutions for this slow-loading 9d problem that didn't work after initial success. So I shut my system down fully, restarted, and re-opened the same veg. It again opened in 57 seconds, with still no red frames like in 9c.

I'd be VERY interested to know if others have the same success by replacing the dll file as listed in the Sony response above. I know that Grazie will strongly recommend not replacing files, etc., until Sony recommends this solution for 9d, and you'll note that this is Sony's solution for way back at 9a. But geez... it seems to be working, at least initially for me. And if so, why didn't Sony just use this dll file when sending out 9d?

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JJKizak wrote on 5/8/2010, 5:59 AM

I tried the dll thing and no worky. I did notice the aviplug.dll I have in Vista 64 bit is dated 2007 while the other apps (Acid Pro 7, Forge, have 2010 dlls. Also the 2007 dll is 1.07 megs while the others are 2 megs and 4 megs.approximately. What is the date and size of the aviplug.dll in your system that works?
JJK

Grazie wrote on 5/8/2010, 6:52 AM

Please guys .. . don't forget there will be "others" reading these threads, and those which might not be as IT capable as thee?

Grazie

CClub wrote on 5/8/2010, 8:09 AM

Sorry, Grazie :^). I couldn't figure out a way to break down the steps in an easier manner, and I'm just incredibly fired up that a veg that was taking me over 20 minutes to open up in 9d (and having some odd blank video portions on the timeline) is now working just fine.

JJK: The 9d aviplug.dll was 3,553,112 bytes. When I right-clicked on the file's properties, then chose the Details tab, it stated the following: File Version: 1.2.0.11663. The size of the aviplug.dll file that I downloaded today via the Sony solution above is 3,508,224 and the File version is 1.2.0.9786. Not sure if any of that helps.

I will say that after several full system restarts, working on other software programs and then switching back to Vegas, and render tests, the dll change has so far totally remedied the slow-loading 9d problem. At least on my system. I'm open to working through any questions and issues if anyone else wants to try this or has any problems when trying this.

Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/8/2010, 8:33 AM

I applied this fix by replacing the 9.0d DLL with one from 9.0c (off one system I had not yet updated).
The slow load solution has so far worked and have seen no ill effects.
Not sure I would gone that far back since, as I recall, 9.0a did have some issues.

9.0d version - 1.2.0.11664
9.0c version - 1.2.0.10486

YMMV,
Tom

update: I guess I should have said I'm using XP-SP3-32bit

JJKizak wrote on 5/8/2010, 9:39 AM

Thanks. One wonders though that all the files mentioned above have different numbers.
Vista 64 bit Vegas 9d 64 1,2,0,4129
Vista 64 bit Vegas 9d 32 1.2.0.4129
XP 32 bit Vegas 9c 1.2.0.9787

JJK

TimTyler wrote on 5/8/2010, 10:50 AM

I have six different aviplug.dll's on my system, not including the two I just downloaded from Sony Support Answer ID 4558.

1.2.0.11663 : Vegas 9c / 64 FileIO Plug-Ins folder
1.2.0. 4129 : Vegas 9c / 64 Vidcap Plug-Ins folder
1.2.0.10486 : Vegas 9c / 32 FileIO Plug-Ins folder
1.2.0. 4129 : Vegas 9c / 32 Vidcap Plug-Ins folder
1.2.0. 9525 : DVD Arcrhitect
1.2.0. 8373 : Sound Forge Audio Studio 9
1.2.0. 6185 : Sony Acid Music Studio 7.0

1.2.0. 9786 : 64-bit Sony Support Answer ID 4558
1.2.0. 9787 : 32-bit Sony Support Answer ID 4558

Which version comes with 9d?

I might just try reinstalling 9d and then replacing all the older Vegas aviplug.dll's with the latest.

JJKizak wrote on 5/8/2010, 12:39 PM

I just installed 9.0D in an XP computer over 9.0C and the dll is 1.2.0.4129.
JJK

fordie wrote on 5/8/2010, 12:41 PM

Okay, ive just tried this and its worked!, 9d now loads my cineform project in a flash.
i used the .dll from the original sony response so we shall have to see if there are any obvious problems.
Im no computer expert but to me it appears to be a problem with cineform files only (please correct me if im wrong) and if so why does this take Sony so long to sort out?
cheers john

JJKizak wrote on 5/8/2010, 1:29 PM

Loaded 1.2.0.9787 in 9.0d 32 bit and it worked ok.
Loaded 1.2.0.9786 in 9.0d 64 bit and it worked ok.
What about the aviplug.dll's in Vidcap?
JJK

CClub wrote on 5/8/2010, 3:04 PM

JJK,
When you say that "it worked ok," you mean that it's no longer loading slowly, as compared to your "no worky" note earlier this morning? If it's working, is it just because you replaced the dll with a different dll file?

Also, I didn't replace the aviplug.dll's in Vidcap, as I don't use Vidcap (I capture with Cineform NeoHD and then import into Vegas).

Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/8/2010, 3:28 PM

I wouldn't touch the DLL in Vidcap's folder.
Remember .. Vidcap is a legacy app and dates back to Vegas v6 or v7.
Tom

Tom Pauncz wrote on 5/8/2010, 3:30 PM

JJK,
That version is the one from Vidcap and is from 2007 - at least according to Properties > Version.
Tom

JJKizak wrote on 5/8/2010, 3:37 PM

It's loading quickly but with a slight stop about 9% but scads better than before with the new dlls. I would say it's the same speed as before but in XP it is a nice steady continous nonstop load compared to Vista 64 which bounces around a bit. Anyway I am happy with Vegas.
JJK

TimTyler wrote on 5/8/2010, 5:38 PM

I just backed-up the aviplug.dll from 9c / 32 and then upgraded to 9d.

Loaded up a recent VEG (Cineform and Raylight media) into the fresh install and as expected it took forever to load.

I then replaced the 9d aviplug.dll with the 9c version (1.2.0.10486) and the problem VEG loaded into the timeline in seconds. Playback seems fine.

bullcity wrote on 5/9/2010, 6:10 AM

Seems to me that the best solution is for Sony to fix this issue and produce another release instead of coming up with work-a-rounds that may or may not work.

Rob Franks wrote on 5/9/2010, 6:43 AM

"Seems to me that the best solution is for Sony to fix this issue and produce another release instead of coming up with work-a-rounds that may or may not work."

The work-arounds are to try and keep you happy WHILE they work on correcting the problems. I guess it didn't work.

CClub wrote on 5/9/2010, 9:14 AM

Clearly the best solution is for Sony to fix this via another release... that's a given.

The best thing for consumers to do:
1. Everyone who is having this problem needs to notify Sony (Support > Support Home > Technical Support > Email Support > Send Us Your Technical Support Question). How many people have the problem and are complaining about it definitely affects the emphasis they put on it.

2. Read Vegas forum postings and other forums (Vegas forum on DVINFO.net, etc.). Post your own questions/ assistance regarding the issue.

3. As Rob Franks stated above, while the problem is being worked on, why not take advantage of work-arounds or patches that others have discovered/developed. That's happening with very prominent equipment and software these days (e.g., Magic Lantern firmware for Canon).

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 5/9/2010, 10:29 AM

CCLUB,

Thanx a zillion. I replaced both (32 and 64 bit) dll's with the ones that I downloaded from the SCS link. What a difference!!!

My current project (1h20 min on the timeline with just plain vanilla SD clips and some stills) now loads in 7 seconds sharp!!!

BEFORE the load took about 5 minutes!! And the timeline feels very snappy..

How on earth could SCS s***w up the 9.0d release? So many of us seeing the same problem - how did not they catch this during beta testing??

Thanks a lot for this workaround :)

Waiting for 9.0e... luckily there are many more letters in the alphabet...

Christian

erikd wrote on 5/9/2010, 10:40 AM

I decided to jump in figuring I had not much to lose. Results?

Before installing .dll file my veg file in V9 WinXP32bit SP2 took 7 minutes to open.

After installing .dll file my veg file opened in 30 seconds.

It's hard to argue with the results.

Erik

Opampman wrote on 5/9/2010, 8:44 PM

I haven't upgraded to 9d yet but the aviplug.dll is version 1.2.0.10486...seems to be much later than anything else. Is that good or bad?

CClub wrote on 5/10/2010, 7:06 AM

If you're planning on updating to 9d, you may want to backup your 9c dll to a separate location. Then if you update to 9d and you get the slow-loading problem, you could either try the 9c dll or the one you can download in the Sony solution above.

Dan Sherman wrote on 5/10/2010, 1:22 PM

Pardon my ignorance, but what the h-e-double hockey sticks is a dll?
And if it makes Vegas 9d load faster, where can I get one?
And where do I put it when I get it.

farss wrote on 5/10/2010, 2:44 PM

"I guess it didn't work. "

You're right it doesn't work. Less than 5% of Vegas users visit here or any fora, let alone delve into the Knowledgebase. They're unaware of this fix and just assume its another stuffup and SCS are indifferent to their plight.
Not exactly rocket science for SCS to be pro-active in this day and age. Email, Net Notify etc. Even free open source software such as VLC does this, Adobe manage to patch their products on the fly as do Microsoft.

Bob.

JJKizak wrote on 5/10/2010, 4:20 PM

Dan Sherman:
Go back to the first entry in this thread and click on the blue "Sony response". Then follow insturctions.
JJK