In my view, Resolve is feature rich, but interface & workflow poor. I keep the free version around to play with, but can't imagine cutting anything with it - would take forever.

When you don’t use it, it is hard to imagine using it.

Vegas cutting is behind Resolve at this point. Resolve has much better trim tools, now. It also has better metadata and media management

UI is more like Final Cut X. Workflow isn’t a problem. The proxy/optimizes media workflow is much better than Vegas’ has ever been; and it naturally interfaces well with third party solutions.

It even has scripting/automation now.

Curious s as to what you mean by workflow. Many people use it as a catch all which basically equates to “I don’t prefer it.” Any specifics?

i like Vegas for quick and dirty things. I wouldn’t use Resolve to quick edits for Facebook, as that would be a bit much. Vegas tackles that easily since I can launch it, throw things on the timeline, cut it up and Render without having to worry about project setup, etc.

Anything longer than 5 minutes, or with more than a few clips/assets gets done in Resolve.

edit... autocorrect owning me today. I give up trying to fight with it.

I think we have slipped off point here,Resolve is a great piece of software and V15 is stunning even the free version,the paid version gives the options needed for cinamatic work which for 250 is amazing,and for the last week ive had installed its not crashed once with any of my 4k footage.

however lets get back to Vegas Pro V16 ive tried now for a few days,and its awful,its injest of files into Proxy is killing most things i throw at it,and even then using proxys its not playing back smooth,it lags it hangs takes a age to get things done,i still have v13/14 on other machines and the difference is night and day,im not really sure what has gone wrong here with 16,even VST 2 is not working as it should New Blue titler v6 is not working just hangs Vegas,

this is a poor state of affairs V15 was never finished yet v16 is here,but i seem to remember saying this when v15 launched and 14 was still suffering and look what V5 turned out to be pretty rubbish,to this day i regret spending money on it,

if only they could get it right as the work flow would be so fast and easy,but maybe there lays the problem working with film is not easy sometimes and trying to make it easy introduces more bugs,

again i have issue with the upgrade price,im really struggling to understand thoese that are not agreeing with this as its just a greedy shout 250,

als there seems to be alot of hate for the subscripton model,why it works pretty dam good with adobe cloud plus i feel i get my moneys worth each month,with updates most weeks and normally these are very well planned out and work,their surport is amazing over the phone so dont knock it till youve tried it

Magix get a grip and sort this software out and offer those who invested in 15 a better deal.

Vegas has a subscription model.. Vegas Pro 365.

Resolve does crash, I have it crash on me all the time when editing HDR, and if I try to do basic effects like noise reduction, my 4GB GTX 970 GPU just isn't enough for Resolve's memory hungry system, and so I have to dial the noise reduction effects all the way to bare minimum or it stops playback completely citing insufficient VRAM. Neat Video runs flawlessly in Vegas on my system, and does a far better job of noise reduction in the process. Then, I have to buy a $150 device if I want to have full screen preview... so that $300 isn't so cheap anymore. Already we are paying more than Vegas Pro Edit just to have the same functionality of a full screen preview. Not to mention, timeline performance is nowhere near as great as many people like to make it out to be, at least not on my hardware setup while editing 10 bit image sequences for HDR timelapses. Furthermore, when grading HDR, I often encounter a problem with resolve putting random colored noise into the image, brightly colored dots scattered all throughout.

Resolve 14 still has bugs in it, but they released 15. Windows Vista had tons of bugs in it, but they released 7. Windows 8 was a mess, but they still released 10. We often buy software revisions that fix bugs their predecessors did not. Hell, Adobe premiere still can't render a video without screwing up the levels, and its implementation of HDR has been fake (they force colors to rec709 color space) since the beginning, plus there is no way to get 10 bit previews regardless of what hardware you use.

I am personally getting better timeline performance, so I'm not sure what is going on with your setup. Something must be wrong with your installation if you can't even get smooth playback on proxies, whereas I'm editing 4K video right out of my camera on 2-3 angles at a time (I use proxies when I go above that number, and they play back fine even for 5-8 angles) and getting full or at least close to full framerate playback. Have you filed a bug report, made a thread detailing your problems, etc. so that the community can help? That goes a lot farther than complaining, you'll find your issues often get resolved quickly if you take that approach.

A 4GB 970 is kind of old at this point, and small, for doing things like noise reduction on 4K. Get a better GPU. Resolve actually requires a good GPU. This is the first thing their support would tell you...

All software has issues, but it’s used for serious work more than Vegas. If it was as bad as you stated, the professionals would be talking about it. I have less issue with it having issues than the manner in which you exaggerated those issues, upthread.

Resolve upgrades are free. No one is paying to get their Resolve 14 bugs fixed. They’re just downloading the new version. Let’s keep the context intact.

Windows Vista got 2 full service packs and -~a decade of support, like any Windows version. Your logic is beyond weak, there. People need to stop using these bad analogies.

Adobe CS6 got years of support even post CC release. No one had to upgrade or subscribe for bug fixes.

No one is asking for unending support. They’re asking for “at least decent, passable” support - which you certainly don’t get with this product.

I have Premiere, Resolve, Final Cut, and Vegas, and still prefer Vegas. For me, there's just no beating the interface with the key controls right on the clips. And now, with ACES and Bezier masking added, I see less reason to use the others. Plus, I have always liked the way Vegas has the rendering options laid out. This is not necessarily to knock the other programs or the people that use them. And I wouldn't argue that Resolve is the best for color correction. But I have had all the programs crash or freeze up on me at some point, but of all them, Vegas has been the most stable, especially later builds. As far as pricing, I agree owning the license costs about the same as a subscription if you keep up with the upgrades, but if you don't, owning the license clearly saves you money over the long haul. I have all of CS6 but stopped when Adobe went to the cloud and were later hacked. I suppose it all comes down to preferences and what you need. But I like owning and not renting the software. I still have Vegas 13 on an old laptop and it works great despite being as old as it is.

Vegas has a subscription model.. Vegas Pro 365.

Resolve does crash, I have it crash on me all the time when editing HDR, and if I try to do basic effects like noise reduction, my 4GB GTX 970 GPU just isn't enough for Resolve's memory hungry system, and so I have to dial the noise reduction effects all the way to bare minimum or it stops playback completely citing insufficient VRAM. Neat Video runs flawlessly in Vegas on my system, and does a far better job of noise reduction in the process. Then, I have to buy a $150 device if I want to have full screen preview... so that $300 isn't so cheap anymore. Already we are paying more than Vegas Pro Edit just to have the same functionality of a full screen preview. Not to mention, timeline performance is nowhere near as great as many people like to make it out to be, at least not on my hardware setup while editing 10 bit image sequences for HDR timelapses. Furthermore, when grading HDR, I often encounter a problem with resolve putting random colored noise into the image, brightly colored dots scattered all throughout.

Resolve 14 still has bugs in it, but they released 15. Windows Vista had tons of bugs in it, but they released 7. Windows 8 was a mess, but they still released 10. We often buy software revisions that fix bugs their predecessors did not. Hell, Adobe premiere still can't render a video without screwing up the levels, and its implementation of HDR has been fake (they force colors to rec709 color space) since the beginning, plus there is no way to get 10 bit previews regardless of what hardware you use.

I am personally getting better timeline performance, so I'm not sure what is going on with your setup. Something must be wrong with your installation if you can't even get smooth playback on proxies, whereas I'm editing 4K video right out of my camera on 2-3 angles at a time (I use proxies when I go above that number, and they play back fine even for 5-8 angles) and getting full or at least close to full framerate playback. Have you filed a bug report, made a thread detailing your problems, etc. so that the community can help? That goes a lot farther than complaining, you'll find your issues often get resolved quickly if you take that approach.

Id like to point out microsoft gave windows 10 away for free at first,knowning full well 8 had been a poor product,

im not really sure why your getting so many issues with Adobe,the new 2018cc is a whole ball game above ive never had any issue with rendering out from PP in fact media encodeder is a great tool,and most of my work is TV,with the odd cinamatic release and so far no director,producers.or end line dps have thrown any edits back,

Resolve 14 had bugs yes,but check the release doc to 15 and you will see apart from 2 all were fixed,not oh we have some long standing bugs lets just leave that in, it will be fine mentality,take the good old S04 dll crap which has been going on for a age now that should have been sorted way back all these MT/AVC issues

im sounding like a Vegas hater but im not i do love the software i used it loads years ago for fast cutting as it was always great at that to point,i really wished they stopping hitting up gimiky type stuff keep it solid,

my own issues with V15 is playback is poor with 4k,and proxys being jerky and slow makes editing hard work,plus the time it takes 15 to sort the proxys out i could have grown a beard,so im now running a i9 clocked out at 4.7ghz plus im trying the RTX2800 11gig graphics card,64 gig of ram all solid state drives,MSI motherboards so its a big machine so it really should be handling what im throwing at it,

I'm using 16 on a Ryzen 7 1800x 64GB DDR4 GTX 970 system, and I have no such issues, even in 15. Performance isn't perfect, especially in 15, but I ran my business off of it until 16 dropped. So4 did cause headaches (lost clients even), but this last update solved them for me, and 16 seems to have taken that even farther.

As for Premiere, my gripes are that it has a tendency to screw up my levels on export, my blacks often end up coming out far flatter than they were in the preview, HDR support (at least as of a few months ago when I last checked) was limited to Rec709, so you weren't getting real HDR color out of it, there was no way to get a 10 bit preview out of it, even with a BlackMagic mini monitor 4K card, and the interface itself, the way you add transitions, etc. just isn't intuitive to me.

Resolve's issues with me aren't just limited to bugs, my 4GB GTX 970 video card chokes on it, many things don't work on full settings, and I run out of VRAM quick as nodes start getting stacked. I had to buy a $150 part just to see it full screen.

You make it seem like Resolve is inefficient, as if you're not gaining anything with it's requirments for latest cpu/gpu/os. You are rewarded & I mean gtx970's are 3+ years old now. This is different to software such as Hitfilm, which has similar requirements but without the performance gain, it genuinely seems like slow software.

Also your non issues with vp16 may be due to luck & also ignorance. It surely must be clear to you by now that vp16 launch was a disaster at a level never before seen with vegas software with bugs that you're not affected by but also bugs you just didn't notice or never ran into due to your limited requirements.

No, I'm making it sound like Resolve isn't as cheap as many like to make it out to be, as you must have far more expensive hardware to run it properly, then you still have to shell out even more money for a blackmagic output card to see full screen previews, even if your GPU is perfectly capable of it on its own.

Considering I'm seeing far more people sing praises for Vegas on these forums than complaining, I'd say you're just unlucky, and people like me are the more common case. But, just to prove that I'm not blowing smoke here, this is a video showing the performance I get using Vegas built in proxy system on a 5 camera edit. See for yourself. Keep in mind I was getting this performance while running real time CPU video encoding in OBS studio.

and while getting a JAVA update too. 😀

Also your non issues with vp16 may be due to luck & also ignorance. It surely must be clear to you by now that vp16 launch was a disaster at a level never before seen with vegas software with bugs that you're not affected by but also bugs you just didn't notice or never ran into due to your limited requirements.

I would neither agree that the launch was a disaster, nor that someone here is able to judge that another user has „ony luck“ or „is ignorant“ or has „limited requirements“ only. It is one aspect if some are not happy with VP16 and rant about the software. But it is a quite different aspect to start with assessments of an other user like that. Please stop that.