Recommendations for rendering profile with Nvidia - English or Spanis

JUAN-PUENTES wrote on 10/22/2024, 9:51 PM

Good night, I hope you are well.

I wanted to ask if someone has rendered with the Nvidia HECV codec and if they can give me a recommendation, since at the moment I have been researching and ended up configuring it in the following way:

I tried to render a gamenplay that I made genshin impact of about 20 minutes and it took about 10 minutes to render and the resulting video ended up weighing 2 gigabytes and something, I don't know if these numbers can be improved 😅 so I will continue investigating, but I decided to publish this While I continue testing to see if anyone else experimenting can give me some suggestions.

My computer has a Ryzen 5500 processor, an Nvidia 3060 graphics card, 16 GB of RAM at 3000 Hz, a 120 GB SDD disk, a B550 A-PRO MSI motherboard with updated drivers.

Thanks!

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mark-y wrote on 10/22/2024, 11:25 PM

For smaller file sizes and better quality, render with a software encoder like AVC/x264.

Hardware encoders like Nvidia are good for fast capturing, but not much else.

One of the AVC encoders in Vegas or Voukoder should give you files about half the size of Nvidia.

For further help, post your captured file properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

johnny-s wrote on 10/23/2024, 2:15 PM

I pretty much have always used ..

Preset = High Quality

RC mode = vbr - high quality

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johnny-s wrote on 10/23/2024, 6:27 PM

Worth to mention that there is really nothing in it CPU (MC) vs Nvidia Nvenc quality render.

Perhaps the Mainconcept codec is not what it used to be.

I did a quality test and there was just under a 2% difference, in favour of Nvenc!

Also Nvenc render time was just more than twice as fast.

Used my laptop.

PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

EricLNZ wrote on 10/23/2024, 6:38 PM
 

One of the AVC encoders in Vegas or Voukoder should give you files about half the size of Nvidia.

@mark-y Won't that depend on the bitrate used which is the controlling factor of file size irrespective of how the file is rendered?

 

 

johnny-s wrote on 10/23/2024, 7:14 PM

I did an ffmpeg CPU encode and found that it was ~ 2% better quality than VP Nvenc, nearly 4% better than VP CPU (MC).

In all 3 cases I matched the output file sizes and data rates very closely. The VP CPU (MC) has a different GOP to the VP nvenc GOP but I don't think that matters much. I matched the ffmpeg CPU GOP to the VP Nvenc GOP.

I used the "Kimberley" 13 second FHD clip as source. Hope she's ok with that. @Kimberly-Durecki

Last changed by johnny-s on 10/23/2024, 7:25 PM, changed a total of 5 times.

PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

JUAN-PUENTES wrote on 10/23/2024, 10:36 PM

For smaller file sizes and better quality, render with a software encoder like AVC/x264.

Hardware encoders like Nvidia are good for fast capturing, but not much else.

One of the AVC encoders in Vegas or Voukoder should give you files about half the size of Nvidia.

For further help, post your captured file properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

General
Complete name                            : D:\Grabaciones\2024-10-20 21-35-50.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 1,57 GiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 57 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 18,8 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 60,000 FPS
Writing application                      : Lavf61.1.100

Vídeo
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Sí
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 fotogramas
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=120
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 min 57 s
Source duration                          : 11 min 57 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 17,8 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 20,0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 píxeles
Height                                   : 1 080 píxeles
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constante
Frame rate                               : 60,000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progresivo
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.143
Stream size                              : 1,49 GiB (95%)
Source stream size                       : 1,55 GiB (99%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 717767
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 57 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constante
Bit rate                                 : 162 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 canales
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48,0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46,875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Con pérdida
Stream size                              : 13,8 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : Track1
Default                                  : Sí
Alternate group                          : 1


This is the information from one of the videos, I recorded several but they all have the same configuration and a similar size.

JUAN-PUENTES wrote on 10/23/2024, 10:40 PM

Worth to mention that there is really nothing in it CPU (MC) vs Nvidia Nvenc quality render.

Perhaps the Mainconcept codec is not what it used to be.

I did a quality test and there was just under a 2% difference, in favour of Nvenc!

Also Nvenc render time was just more than twice as fast.

Used my laptop.

Let's see if I understood, the AVC was slower than Nvidia? At the moment I was using the MAGIX HEVC profiles but I have noticed that when I see them on my PC they look good, but when I upload them to YouTube they look a bit bad.

JUAN-PUENTES wrote on 10/23/2024, 10:45 PM

For smaller file sizes and better quality, render with a software encoder like AVC/x264.

Hardware encoders like Nvidia are good for fast capturing, but not much else.

One of the AVC encoders in Vegas or Voukoder should give you files about half the size of Nvidia.

For further help, post your captured file properties.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

What a shame, another question.
I was testing with the Magix HEVC profiles but would AVC be more stable? And if, for example, in AVC I take a profile that says NVENC, would it be a bad idea?


I was looking for the difference between the two profiles but the truth is that it ended up confusing me more.

mark-y wrote on 10/24/2024, 9:16 AM
 

One of the AVC encoders in Vegas or Voukoder should give you files about half the size of Nvidia.

@mark-y Won't that depend on the bitrate used which is the controlling factor of file size irrespective of how the file is rendered?

Yes, you are correct. I should have included the words "... at about the same relative quality" in my answer.

johnny-s wrote on 10/24/2024, 9:56 AM

@JUAN-PUENTES

"And if, for example, in AVC I take a profile that says NVENC, would it be a bad idea?"

I don't think so. See my previous post.

Give it as high a data rate as u think will produce good results.

PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

JUAN-PUENTES wrote on 10/26/2024, 10:06 PM

@JUAN-PUENTES

"And if, for example, in AVC I take a profile that says NVENC, would it be a bad idea?"

I don't think so. See my previous post.

Give it as high a data rate as u think will produce good results.

Yes, the higher the value, the better the result, but I wanted to validate if there was a way for the weight to be a little less hahaha

And I did read what you published but I didn't understand well when you explained the example you did with the Nvidia Codec.
In conclusion, the normal template vs the NVENC is better by very little since the quality does not vary as much and the former tends to be faster?

And sorry if I'm a little slow, but I'm just learning about these topics with Vegas Pro.

johnny-s wrote on 10/27/2024, 4:39 AM

Correct. So render out several short samples with different data rates from low to high from the same video clip.

Then play them and view them to see which is visually acceptable.

That way you can validate which ones weight is less hahaha.

 

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PC 1:

Intel i9-9900K

32 GB Ram

AMD Radeon XFX RX 7900 XT

Intel UHD 630

Win 10

PC 2:

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 core CPU

64 GB Ram

Nvidia 4090 GPU

Intel A770 GPU

Win 11

 

Laptop:

Intel 11th. Gen 8 core CPU. i9-11900K

Nvidia RTX 3080 GPU

Win 10

mark-y wrote on 10/27/2024, 6:08 AM

Juan, one tool to help you decide what's best for you is called a benchmark.

There is a very good resource available that has tested all of the AVC, HEVC, and other encoders available, and compiled the results using the strictest RQM (Render Quality Measurment) and bulletproof quantitative testing procedures.

When you've done your research and arrived at your best solutions for the type of shooting, delivery, and audience you are targeting, please include us in your thought processes. There are a few of us who are very deep into this stuff, and we always like to compare our choices, since no two editors have exactly the same needs.

There are several other sites, but this one is the oldest and most comprehensive:

https://www.compression.ru/video/codec_comparison/index.html