Rendering AMD VCE 50 fps Vegas Pro 16 update 5

HelgeK wrote on 7/1/2019, 4:00 AM

If I render my projekt with the setting AMD VCE 50 fps, the rendering works just fine with AMD 2700X and RX480 grafic card.

I can look at the result on PC, but not my LG Oled TV. Claims file isn't recognized.

Rendering with CPU only or AMD VCE 59.94 works as i should.

Sounds like a bug, or is there a setting I missed?

Windows 10 and all drivers are up to date.

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j-v wrote on 7/1/2019, 4:17 AM

I have also an Oled LG, look in my signature and I have no problems with 4K 50p of the Magix AVC or HEVC.
Which model do you have and which year did you bought yours, this is very important for the filetypes that are supported.

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Former user wrote on 7/1/2019, 5:33 AM

I have also an Oled LG, look in my signature and I have no problems with 4K 50p of the Magix AVC or HEVC.
 

Your signature doesn't mention you having any VCE hardware encoding graphics

j-v wrote on 7/1/2019, 6:41 AM

Your signature doesn't mention you having any VCE hardware encoding graphics

Did I say that I render with exact the same template as the OP?
He even did not mention the exact template.

Last changed by j-v on 7/1/2019, 6:42 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

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HelgeK wrote on 7/1/2019, 7:13 AM

LG 55B6V Software 05.30.65.
Only the 50 fps AMD VCE that fails.

j-v wrote on 7/1/2019, 8:38 AM

Thanks for the Info.
I render never to 4K for my TV.
Always use the FHD templates for showing on that TV, that has a very good upscale function to show my FDH as 4K
My used rendertemplates for that TV are always one of these 3

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Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 22H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 546.01 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2125
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john_dennis wrote on 7/1/2019, 9:09 AM

It's possible that the TV will never play the files, but have you tried different options in the render template?

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Quindor wrote on 7/1/2019, 9:34 AM

Interesting, so rendering CPU only encoding the 50FPS works on your LG TV but doing the same profile using AMD VCE 50FPS it doesn't?

Check with VLC or a mediainfo tool what the exact encoding details are and see if you can spot a difference between those files.

HelgeK wrote on 7/1/2019, 12:30 PM

There are some minor differences in videopart. Voicepart identical.

CPU 50fps LG OLED 4kTV says OK

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\helge\Documents\MAGIX\Film\Hallsjön28 juni 2019 CPU 50 fps.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 1.01 GiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 41.2 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 16:55:22
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 16:55:22

Video
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
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Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 41.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 80.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.099
Stream size                              : 1.00 GiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 16:55:23
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 16:55:23
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

 

AMD VCE 50fps LG OLED 4kTV says NJET
General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\helge\Documents\MAGIX\Film\Hallsjön28 juni 2019 amd VCE 50fps.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 935 MiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 37.3 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 16:26:30
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 16:26:30

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Bit rate                                 : 37.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.090
Stream size                              : 930 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 16:26:30
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 16:26:30
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

 

AMD VCE 60fps LG OLED 4kTV says OK

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\helge\Documents\MAGIX\Film\Hallsjön28 juni 2019 60fps VCE.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 947 MiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 37.8 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 07:30:54
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 07:30:54

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L6.2@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Bit rate                                 : 37.6 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.076
Stream size                              : 942 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 07:30:55
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 07:30:55
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

HelgeK wrote on 7/1/2019, 12:39 PM

Thanks for the Info.
I render never to 4K for my TV.
Always use the FHD templates for showing on that TV, that has a very good upscale function to show my FDH as 4K
My used rendertemplates for that TV are always one of these 3

I will try it out.

HelgeK wrote on 7/1/2019, 12:53 PM

Just found out its the same with 60 fps. Its the Magix AVC/AAC MP4 version that doesn't work with AMD VCE. 50 or 60 fps is the same.
Magix HEVC/ACC MP4 works for both 50 and 60 fps. So Ill use the instead.

AMD VCE 60fps LG OLED 4kTV says NJET

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\helge\Documents\MAGIX\Film\Hallsjön28 juni 2019 4k 60 fps AMD VCE.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 943 MiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 37.7 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 17:33:26
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 17:33:26

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 min 30 s
Bit rate                                 : 37.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.075
Stream size                              : 938 MiB (99%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-07-01 17:33:27
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-07-01 17:33:27
Color range                              : Limited
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Former user wrote on 7/1/2019, 7:05 PM

I guess it doesn't matter too much if you're encoding just for yourself but as a general rule the SOC graphics on media boxes and tv's won't decode above 4k30p h.264, even if they do 4k60p h.265/VP9. It is maybe a case that your TV is able to downconvert the software encoded 4k50/60p files to 30p but not the VCE hardware encoded versions. I don't know about the technicalities just taking a guess.

In my case my tv & PVR won't play 4k50/60p h.264, and my media box can't use it's hardware decoder to play the file so it attempts playback with cpu, but it's cpu is too low powered, so it's a laggy mess.

 

fifonik wrote on 7/1/2019, 7:18 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC

High@L5.2 - 3,840×2,160@66.8

Main@L5.1 - 3,840×2,160@31.7

So, L5.1 (used in VCE) is just not enough for 50 fps in this frame size.

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HelgeK wrote on 7/2/2019, 4:45 AM

I guess it doesn't matter too much if you're encoding just for yourself but as a general rule the SOC graphics on media boxes and tv's won't decode above 4k30p h.264, even if they do 4k60p h.265/VP9. It is maybe a case that your TV is able to downconvert the software encoded 4k50/60p files to 30p but not the VCE hardware encoded versions. I don't know about the technicalities just taking a guess.

In my case my tv & PVR won't play 4k50/60p h.264, and my media box can't use it's hardware decoder to play the file so it attempts playback with cpu, but it's cpu is too low powered, so it's a laggy mess.

 

 

HelgeK wrote on 8/11/2019, 8:40 AM

The difference i have noticed with 50 or 60p instead of 25/30 is the smoothness. Its a huge difference.