Beyond that always ALWAYS save the project under a new name anytime you do anything more than a simple tweak to a project. Always.

This should be a sticky!!!

Mike

"Beyond that always ALWAYS save the project under a new name anytime you do anything more than a simple tweak to a project. Always."While not as sophisticated as jetdv's autosave utility, I wrote a simple little script that "double saves" your project - once to the default project name, once to the project name with a timestamp. Follow the "readme" instructions and press the icon on your toolbar.

Here's the sciprt & documentation: http://www.jazzythedog.com/sharing/bkupsave.zipBkupsave.zip[/link]

...Jerry

I like the different ideas on improving ripple.

I like the one time use option.
That way you cut down the potential of destructive editing.

Just make it an OPTION - to set to one time use.

That way, all the ones that like the old way will still have it.

If you would... please in joining me submitting this to Sony.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/support/productsuggestion.asp


Anyway, I'm surprised at some of the resistance to adding a function.

Working long hours to make broadcast deadlines, switching to a nested veg., going to AE , PS, AI, particle Illusion, back to Vegas, and its 2am... it is not Altimeters or needing to be burned one more time to remember to check...Ray my friend, how about a little fellow V editor backup on this? :]

L5

Thinking about this some more I'm not that much at all in favour of it being a "one shot", there is one such function on the EX1 camera and it can be a right PIA.
Sometimes I do have ripple on for a large part of my edit session and I just forget that it is On.

It seems to me that ripple on/off is changing the modality of the software, much the same as when you switch between Insert and Overwrite modes in a word processor. What typically happens there is the cursor changes shape so the cue is always in your face, no need to look away from where you are at.

I'm really thinking changing some attibute of the pointer / cursor is going to keep everyone happy. Sure you might still fail to register that in your head but I don't see much else that can be done that'll not be good for some and bad for others.

Bob.

lol@Mike, thanks.

Logan, sorry man, not a chance I would back this one, I simply fail to see how this is even remotely important enough to warrant wasting Sony's time. It is 100%, I'll say it again, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT avoidable with simple precautions and common sense safeguards that every editor should be practicing anyway. Programing hours are finite, I'd rather Sony didn't waste hours, days or weeks addressing something that is a complete non-issue when those hours, days or weeks could be spent either fixing legitimate issues or improving Vegas in some other capacity.

It's not my intent to sound mean or to be cruel but I am seriously baffled that the basis of everyone's argument thus far is essentially "I am incapable of remembering that I just turned it on."

- Ray
Underground Planet

For a minute there I thought this was a thread about ice-cream flavors. Alas.

I take Steve's approach: it's off unless I need it on. Even then, it's been ctrl-z to the rescue. I can't think of many, or any, features that I would want a "one time use" feature with. For features used that infrequently, just turn it on when you need it, and off when you don't.

Personal favorite ice-cream flavor: French Vanilla (aka Freedom Vanilla to some).

Just to elaborate a bit more on Andreas's point ... Ben & Jerry's "Cherry Garcia" or their "Stephen Colbert's AmeriCone Dream", really depends on the day.

- Ray
Underground Planet

Logan,

I'm with you on implementing as an option. There's obviously a passionate feeling by some about not doing it, but I don't think a product suggestion that allows users to customize their NLEs timeline behavior is a waste of programmers' time. Those that want to assert their responsibility to remember to toggle the Ripple can have it as it is. I'll take responsibility for setting the preferences the way I want.

Larry

Based on the seeming inability of some users to remember to turn auto-ripple off when they just turned it on; If Sony did waste their time putting in some option or preference, I'll be waiting on the thread where the same people are asking another reminder/message/beep/warning/slap to the head when they realize they forget to choose the option they asked for. *sigh*

- Ray
Underground Planet

So what is your objection to changing the shape or color of the pointer when it is on?

Keep in mind that Vegas already does this when Envelope or Selection modes are selected.

Bob.

I tried to make that clear in my other posts but I'll try to recap. First and foremost every point I have made is framed around the fact that this entirely a user error. Many of the suggestions that were being put forth were, in my opinion, self serving at best and if implemented would make 5 people happy at the cost of ruining it for everyone else. Thematically "Lets break something that isn't broken and change how everyone else might use the tool correctly because I lack the ability to use it correctly or to remember that I was just using it." That, to me, is ridiculous just on the face of it. Beeps? Warnings? Single use? Egads man, just pay a modicum of attention to what you're doing! Why should the world bow and bend because you screwed up? Secondly, by taking this folly to the next level by imploring others to more or less petition Sony to dedicate time and resources to a "problem" that is clearly of your own making, the time and resources have to come from something else. That's time away from bug fixes and future advances for Vegas that would benefit everyone instead of a couple people who seem to have either short term memory (just turn it off after you're done with it) or long term memory (can't remember what happened last time they forgot to turn it off so maybe they should be a bit more cautious). It's like blaming the toothbrush because you forgot to brush your teeth or being mad at the toilet paper because you forgot to ... never mind. (dumb toilet paper, I wrote Charmin years ago)

I'll bow out of the discussion at this point. I'm not Sony, I have no influence or insight on what they may or may not think is a good idea or a bad one. We could debate about this for weeks but seeing as none of us are the decision makers it's all pretty irrelevant.

- Ray
Underground Planet

@Muttley

I'm assuming you're replying to my post but what you're saying seems like you've read none of it.

Bob.

Bob, I'm done with the debate and topic but sincerely sorry you feel that way. I assure you that I did read your question and attempted to clarify my objections. I believe the miscommunication is due to the fact that you asked a very pointed hypothetical question when my objections are broader in scope, in that equation it makes the hypothetical inconsequential. If I hate cats (I don't, but to illustrate) and I tell you why I hate cats and than you ask me "Well what is your objection to an orange cat?" The color doesn't matter, my answer will just default back to all the reason I hate cats. (I really don't hate cats, my dog's name is Kitty after all.)

Hope that makes sense as my intent was not to make you feel slighted.

- Ray
Underground Planet

Heard through the grapevine that SCS is frantically working on TWO versions. One with no documentation or user preferences, so that if the program even opens, all issues from that point forward become "user errors." Second version allows twice as many preferences just to keep this forum going. ;-)

Smile, everyone. These are only opinions, and we've all got them. And as pointed out earlier, it's quite possible no one is even listening.

Larry

Ray, I'm with you here - if users decide to enable Auto Ripple, that's a conscious decision they make and they should be happy to be bound by whatever it entails.

As I said earlier, I choose to have manual control over Ripple, and therefore Vegas only ripples when I tell it to! It really is so easy!

I fully agree that it's user error. I almost always remember to turn it off after using ripple, which is why it's so frustrating to have to CTRL-Z back a few steps to correct my error.

There is a "use once" button in Vegas - the Marker Mode. And there is no indication whether it's on or off:

...changing the shape or color of the pointer when it is on


Bob that would work for me. It would be like you mentioned... a mode change at the point of edit.

I came from a editing system that was built by editors and video engineers giving direct input.
Software/hardware guys were told by the editors where to put controls as apposed to being told to just go create an editor... and then have the editors have to adjust to that work flow ... and then hope for the best and some useful updates from the twirl cap guys.

I picked Vegas over all the other systems because it was the closest work flow to the fastest most intuitive editing system I've used.
It took only 5min to get a new editor editing on that system. Why? Because it was a very intuitive system.

When I hear: don't fix it if its not broke or its a waste of Sony's time/Self serving.

No need to perfect anything? No need to refine our editing tools? No need to make anything more intuitive?

Vegas is a great editing tool. I've used editing tools that could really add to Vegas work flow....but, its seems like the shadows on the cave wall are the way of some Vegas users.

Jerry

I just tried your Backup Save script. Wonderful idea!

Another great time saver - more useful to me than many Vegas new features have been.

Makes you realize than Sony should think more about workflow improvements than new bells and whistles.

thank you

Tim

Tim,

I'm blushing!

Enjoy!
...Jerry

Jerry -

I also, installed your Bkupsave script. Works great!
This will be very helpful.

Thank you.

Bob.