Several questions - VMS17

EfGe wrote on 11/3/2021, 12:19 PM

Hello everybody.

First time here.

I use Vegas in some form or another since I think...Vegas Purple? I don't remember the name, anyway, for years. Nothing too heavy for a long while now.

I currently use Vegas Movie Studio 17, fully updated as far as I am aware.

My hardware is the following:

Intel i7-5960X (stock speeds) an old by now 8 core 16 thread CPU which is clearly not good enough for Windows 11, but that's another topic for another forum.

64GB of DDR4 RAM.

5-6 internal SSDs, 2 of which NVME, same model, a 2TB as a C drive and a 1TB as a "video editing" drive. 300-400GB free on each.

GPU is a Nvidia GTX 1660 Super with 6GB of VRAM.

Now, on to my questions:

1. In the timeline when I have videos, as soon as I zoom in or out, the eh "thumbnails" of the video(s) "refresh". It can take a couple of seconds or more depending on the resolution etc. If I try anything, even just play the video, it's choppy. If I wait for the "refresh" to finish then it's fine. This is killing my speed and my morale. Is there a way to speed it up or stop it from happening? I remember watching a video of some youtuber once where regardless what he did, this "refresh" did not take place. Unfortunately I don't remember who it was. The same 'refresh" happens if I am zoomed enough to not show the whole video and I move left right, or if I just do even a simple split.

2. Vertical 4K videos (2160x3840). I can't have a project with those dimensions. If I import a media file of vertical 1080p and then move the clip to the timeline, the program will ask me if I want it to match the clip's settings. When I do I get a project with the right resolution, vertical 1080p. When I do the same with vertical 4K I get a project resolution of 1215x2160. If I try to manually edit the number it goes up to 2160x2160 and no more. Solution?

3. I have some video files downloaded, mp3 and mp4 which just refuse to be accepted as import files by Vegas. If I try to drag and drop them they never do. If I click on import media they again are unsuccessful. If I use handbrake I can transcode the mp4 so that it is then seen by Vegas, but that is a lot of wasted time. Both can be seen and played by VLC. Interestingly enough the mp3 load in winamp, but can't be played there.

4. I had more, but now my brain refuses to cooperate.

Thank you.

Comments

j-v wrote on 11/3/2021, 1:07 PM

Ad 1 Use one of these other settings

j-v wrote on 11/3/2021, 1:13 PM

Ad 2. This is a program for lovers and amateurs, but for what you want to do you have to buy (upgrade) to the Pro version.

j-v wrote on 11/3/2021, 1:20 PM

ad 3

3. I have some video files downloaded, mp3 and mp4 which just refuse to be accepted as import files by Vegas. If I try to drag and drop them they never do. If I click on import media they again are unsuccessful. If I use handbrake I can transcode the mp4 so that it is then seen by Vegas, but that is a lot of wasted time. Both can be seen and played by VLC. Interestingly enough the mp3 load in winamp, but can't be played there.

Vegas is not a player but an editor ,so it needs other things as f.i. converters.
But to help you the right way we need the MediaInfo of the problemfiles. Look here where to download that free app and how to use that program you can click on :MediaInfo

EfGe wrote on 11/3/2021, 1:51 PM

Ad 1 Use one of these other settings

I feel so stupid.

Thank you.

EfGe wrote on 11/3/2021, 1:52 PM

Ad 2. This is a program for lovers and amateurs, but for what you want to do you have to buy (upgrade) to the Pro version.

Well this sucks, when I bought it I was under the impression that 4K video meant vertical or horizontal. Not your fault of course. Thank you.

j-v wrote on 11/3/2021, 2:00 PM

Well this sucks, when I bought it I was under the impression that 4K video meant vertical or horizontal.

You had the chance before you bought it to look with the trial version during 30 days long what you could do and not .

EfGe wrote on 11/3/2021, 2:20 PM

Well this sucks, when I bought it I was under the impression that 4K video meant vertical or horizontal.

You had the chance before you bought it to look with the trial version during 30 days long what you could do and not .

Well I took their word for it, so, yeah my fault.

EfGe wrote on 11/3/2021, 4:48 PM

ad 3

3. I have some video files downloaded, mp3 and mp4 which just refuse to be accepted as import files by Vegas. If I try to drag and drop them they never do. If I click on import media they again are unsuccessful. If I use handbrake I can transcode the mp4 so that it is then seen by Vegas, but that is a lot of wasted time. Both can be seen and played by VLC. Interestingly enough the mp3 load in winamp, but can't be played there.

Vegas is not a player but an editor ,so it needs other things as f.i. converters.
But to help you the right way we need the MediaInfo of the problemfiles. Look here where to download that free app and how to use that program you can click on :MediaInfo

ok I got the program. Never heard of it before, always cool to find new things.

Anyway, the results:

The mp4 has "Format: dash" and codec "dash (iso6/avc1/mp41)"

The mp3 has "Format: dash" and codec "dash (iso6/mp41)"

I don't know if it helps.

EricLNZ wrote on 11/3/2021, 5:48 PM

No it doesn't help. Please post the full info as per the instructions in the first part of the link that j-v gave you.

EfGe wrote on 11/4/2021, 2:17 AM

OK, my bad.

EDIT2: Yeah, I can't get the Vegas video and audio properties as mentioned in the instructions as Vegas won't add the specific files in it.

General
Complete name                            : F:\Temp\temp video.mp4
Format                                   : dash
Codec ID                                 : dash (iso6/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 265 MiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 53 s
Overall bit rate                         : 3 116 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-09-30 19:45:39
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-09-30 19:45:39

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 11 min 53 s
Bit rate                                 : 3 110 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.025
Stream size                              : 264 MiB (100%)
Title                                    : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc.
Writing library                          : x264 core 155 r2901 7d0ff22
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-09-30 19:45:39
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-09-30 19:45:39
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio 1

General
Complete name                            : F:\Temp\temp audio.m4a
Format                                   : dash
Codec ID                                 : dash (iso6/mp41)
File size                                : 11.0 MiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 53 s
Overall bit rate                         : 129 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-09-30 19:17:44
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-09-30 19:17:44

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 53 s
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 10.9 MiB (99%)
Title                                    : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc.
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-09-30 19:17:44
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-09-30 19:17:44

Audio 2

General
Complete name                            : F:\Temp\temp audio two.mp3
Format                                   : dash
Codec ID                                 : dash (iso6/mp41)
File size                                : 10.9 MiB
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Overall bit rate                         : 129 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-11-02 02:32:56
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-11-02 02:32:56

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 11 min 49 s
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 10.8 MiB (99%)
Title                                    : ISO Media file produced by Google Inc.
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-11-02 02:32:56
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-11-02 02:32:56

j-v wrote on 11/4/2021, 5:21 AM

Thanks for this MediaInfo of your problem files.
Unfortunately I have no experience with dash video and/or audio, but if you can deliver and place here a link to a small file of both on a cloudservice where I (we) can download it unharmed, we can try to find a way to let VMS 17 accept such a file.

EfGe wrote on 11/4/2021, 8:09 AM

Here is a link. It contains 3 files. One mp3, one mp4 and one webm. I can't find a small enough m4a file to upload now, I assume (and we both know how well that goes with me) m4a will work too if the mp3 is.

The site I used for transfer is called WeTransfer. It looks ok.

https://we.tl/t-Ej1tQxTk1p

Oh and because I forgot to add the mediainfo on the webm file, here is that too.

General
Complete name                            : S:\To upload\vegas community upload\temp for d.webm
Format                                   : WebM
Format version                           : Version 4
File size                                : 4.40 MiB
Duration                                 : 14 s 367 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 2 570 kb/s
Writing application                      : google/video-file
Writing library                          : google/video-file

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : VP9
Codec ID                                 : V_VP9
Duration                                 : 14 s 367 ms
Bit rate                                 : 2 461 kb/s
Width                                    : 2 560 pixels
Height                                   : 1 440 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 60.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.011
Stream size                              : 4.21 MiB (96%)
Language                                 : English
Default                                  : Yes
Forced                                   : No
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

Thanks again.

j-v wrote on 11/4/2021, 10:18 AM

I did a quick look at the videofile and with me I could convert it to mp4 with the free app Handbrake. Look for the result

I'm very busy now, maybe later I have time to look at the other files..

EfGe wrote on 11/4/2021, 10:41 AM

I did a quick look at the videofile and with me I could convert it to mp4 with the free app Handbrake. Look for the result

I'm very busy now, maybe later I have time to look at the other files..

Yes I know. Thanks anyway.

If I use handbrake I can transcode the mp4 so that it is then seen by Vegas, but that is a lot of wasted time.

3POINT wrote on 11/6/2021, 2:48 PM

My other NLE accepts your screencaps without issues, no need for media info or handbrake conversions. Unfortunately VMS isn't that format proof and that it's development has been discontinued.

EfGe wrote on 11/6/2021, 2:57 PM

My other NLE accepts your screencaps without issues, no need for media info or handbrake conversions. Unfortunately VMS isn't that format proof and that it's development has been discontinued.

Does Pro work with them or is it the same as VMS17? I have Final Cut Pro X, but I am used to this I rather not have to change, plus my Mac Mini is an old model, not exactly super fast.

EricLNZ wrote on 11/6/2021, 4:15 PM

Does Pro work with them

A comment in this thread indicates it doesn't https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-can-handle-webp-files--132636/