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Dexcon wrote on 6/20/2023, 6:30 AM

And your video media is ... ? Please see https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/ and upload a detailed MediaInfo (a free app) report on a sample of the media that you have on the timeline.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

RogerS wrote on 6/20/2023, 6:47 AM

If your i9 has an iGPU try to enable it for decoding.

That said, some transitions are just too computationally intensive to preview smoothly in VEGAS today. Create a selection and hit shift + b to create a ram preview.

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 10:12 AM

General
Complete name                            : D:\P1003842.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/hvc1)
File size                                : 2.70 GiB
Duration                                 : 4 min 0 s
Overall bit rate                         : 96.2 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 95.9 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.231
Stream size                              : 2.69 GiB (100%)
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 4 min 0 s
Source duration                          : 4 min 1 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 3.60 MiB (0%)
Source stream size                       : 3.60 MiB (0%)
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-12 17:55:44 UTC

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 10:12 AM

Camera is Panasonic GH5 markII

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/20/2023, 10:27 AM

And your project settings?

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * RTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 10:33 AM

I understand that some difficult transitions can be a problem. Frames slow down even on simple crossfades. I was hoping that with such equipment it would be full of comfort. Edius, Premier, Davinci - work perfectly. I love VEGAS, I don't want change.

RogerS wrote on 6/20/2023, 10:46 AM

VEGAS can struggle with 10-bit HEVC + Fx (or multicam, etc.)

Definitely have the iGPU handle decoding in preferences/ file io if you haven't already. Hopefully VEGAS can make better use of GPU resources in the future.

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 1:36 PM

is this the setting you mean? If so, it is enabled. Without this, the preview does not exist. Maybe 10 frames per second. I am surprised that such a powerful program in 2023 can not work in 4K. Proxy is on old hardware and not on new high-end components. Even a $1000 graphics card doesn't do anything. Funny.

j-v wrote on 6/20/2023, 1:47 PM

In your File I/O HEVC decoding must be checked for your goal

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Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 2:02 PM

When this option is selected, the preview is a nightmare.

Former user wrote on 6/20/2023, 2:05 PM

@Lukasz-Pecak Hi, can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & fill in your Signature with the full name of your CPU, GPU & amount of RAM, also inc the Windows & Vegas version, this will then show at the bottom of your comments, thanks 👍

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 2:11 PM

ok :)

Former user wrote on 6/20/2023, 2:23 PM

@Lukasz-Pecak Thanks, I have to 'shift + b to create a ram preview' as RogerS says for most transitions to get full fps on playback, & some but not all 10bit files can play really badly,

Got to ask, you said 'Even a $1000 graphics card' but I googled your card - if it's the same one it can be bought for £50 & is 10yrs old, Did you make a spelling mistake?

How old is AMD Radeon R9 200 Series?

The Radeon R9 290 and R9 290X were announced on September 25, 2013.

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 3:11 PM

With shift + B it's not a job :(. The card at the moment is R9 200. When I had the RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO 24GB GDDR6X the problem was exactly the same. So different cards did not give any difference. It was cheaper. In Davinci the difference was huge.
Vegas can't use the potential of the GPU

 

 

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 3:13 PM

GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC LHR 10GB GDDR6X was the same problem.

fr0sty wrote on 6/20/2023, 7:13 PM

Any reason you're shooting HEVC? AVC/h264 edits better. However, for smooth playback of 10 bit video, you may have to make proxies. right click on media in the media pool, "create video proxy", let that process complete, then set your preview quality to "preview". you'll have smooth playback.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

RogerS wrote on 6/20/2023, 9:54 PM

is this the setting you mean? If so, it is enabled. Without this, the preview does not exist. Maybe 10 frames per second. I am surprised that such a powerful program in 2023 can not work in 4K. Proxy is on old hardware and not on new high-end components. Even a $1000 graphics card doesn't do anything. Funny.

Yes, that's right for settings. Keep legacy HEVC unchecked.

I have the same settings (also have a 13th gen CPU) and while most media plays fine some 10-bit HEVC is still too challenging for VEGAS. No the graphics card won't help either. You have to make proxy files or shoot a different format.

Really that's what figuring out a workflow is about - what works with the software and hardware you have today. If you insist on this file format and not making proxies I'd suggest a different NLE.

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/20/2023, 11:37 PM

In panasonic GH5 II or Gh6 is the most suitable format today. There is nothing better and more popular. It's not 8K. It's standard 4K. I'm shocked Vegas can't do that. Before writing on the forum, I checked all possible settings. It took me a long time. I thought someone did. From what I can see, Vegas is suitable for the old FullHD. Proxy is good for short recordings. I occasionally do 2.5 hours. Time for a change of beloved Vegas. They are not technologically up to date.

RogerS wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:03 AM

Lukasz, it may not preview that well in HD either- did you test it?

With your powerful CPU you could make VEGAS proxies relatively fast I think, or batch convert it all to a more editing-friendly format before importing it. ProRes is a better option for such recordings (it's 10-bit, 4K, etc.) and VEGAS plays it back perfectly. My understanding is that the GH6 can record in Apple Prores 422 which is a much better editing format.

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:21 AM

FullHD is ok. But it's a 15-year-old format. Creating a proxy will give me 2 as much data. I do not need it. I understand if Edius, Premier, Davinci would also run slow. it is not. Vegas lags behind the competition. I have always defended vegas and claimed it was the best editing program. Time for changes. My CPU does what it can. Unfortunately, the limit is Vegas.

 

Lukasz-Pecak wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:41 AM

The other thing is the constant crashing. Very slow 4K render. Premier does it 2x faster. My love for Vegas is passing. :(

RogerS wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:43 AM

You can delete proxy files when you're done with the project. Sort the media by file type in Windows Explorer.

Each NLE has its strengths and weaknesses. Resolve is very GPU-heavy and doesn't work well on lesser systems. Others pre-cache data to perform better.

HEVC performance isn't great in VEGAS, it's widely known and sure we'd like it to be improved. Are you going to wait around for that or get back to editing?

RogerS wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:44 AM

The other thing is the constant crashing. Very slow 4K render. Premier does it 2x faster. My love for Vegas is passing. :(

Use the NLE that's right for you today. Nobody says you have to use VEGAS if it's not the tool for you.

john_dennis wrote on 6/21/2023, 12:57 AM

@Lukasz-Pecak said:

"In Panasonic GH5 II or Gh6 is the most suitable format today. There is nothing better and more popular. It's not 8K. It's standard 4K."

I just happen to have some GH6 media in my library and it is not a problem for the machine in my signature.

General
Complete name                            : F:\zzz Panasonic GH6\P1001330.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2011.07 (qt  /pana)
File size                                : 391 MiB
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 193 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
com.panasonic.Semi-Pro.metadata.xml      : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="no" ?> / <ClipMain xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="urn:schemas-Professional-Plug-in:Semi-Pro:ClipMetadata:v1.0"> /   <ClipContent> /     <GlobalClipID>060A2B340101010501010D21130000007F76429C0A00000459AE0E9110850200</GlobalClipID> /     <Duration>1020</Duration> /     <EditUnit>1001/60000</EditUnit> /     <EssenceList> /       <Video> /         <Codec BitRate="200">H265_420_LongGOP</Codec> /         <ActiveLine>2160</ActiveLine> /         <ActivePixel>3840</ActivePixel> /         <BitDepth>10</BitDepth> /         <FrameRate>59.94p</FrameRate> /         <TimecodeType>Drop</TimecodeType> /         <StartTimecode>08:24:04:23</StartTimecode> /       </Video> /       <Audio> /         <Channel>4</Channel> /         <SamplingRate>48000</SamplingRate> /         <BitsPerSample>24</BitsPerSample> /       </Audio> /     </EssenceList> /     <ClipMetadata> /       <Rating>0</Rating> /       <Access> /         <CreationDate>2022-08-21T09:58:25-05:00</CreationDate> /         <LastUpdateDate>2022-08-21T09:58:25-05:00</LastUpdateDate> /       </Access> /       <Device> /         <Manufacturer>Panasonic</Manufacturer> /         <ModelName>DC-GH6</ModelName> /       </Device> /       <Shoot> /         <StartDate>2022-08-21T09:58:25-05:00</StartDate> /       </Shoot> /     </ClipMetadata> /   </ClipContent> /   <UserArea> /     <AcquisitionMetadata xmlns="urn:schemas-Professional-Plug-in:P2:CameraMetadata:v1.2"> /       <CameraUnitMetadata> /         <ISOSensitivity>100</ISOSensitivity> /         <Gamma> /           <CaptureGamma>FLAT</CaptureGamma> /         </Gamma> /         <Gamut> /           <CaptureGamut>BT.709</CaptureGamut> /         </Gamut> /       </CameraUnitMetadata> /     </AcquisitionMetadata> /   </UserArea> / </ClipMain>

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.2@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate                                 : 187 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.376
Stream size                              : 379 MiB (97%)
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : lpcm
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.34 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC

Audio #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : lpcm
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.34 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC

Audio #3
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : lpcm
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.34 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC

Audio #4
ID                                       : 5
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : lpcm
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 2.34 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC

Other
ID                                       : 6
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 17 s 17 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 08:24:04;46
Time code of last frame                  : 08:24:21;45
Time code, stripped                      : No
Encoded date                             : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2022-08-21 14:58:25 UTC

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