i have a tendency to agree with christian - i certainly wouldn't buy another version of vegas BEFORE the problems in 9c are resolved with a release of 9d

i know it seems to be the norm nowadays for almost everything to be disposable or extended beta (just look at google!), and as users we're expected to put up with minor flaws (toyota?) till they're sorted out with another release at a later date, or more likely, left behind by a new model, but having paid 'serious' money for a nle system - which till recently was the epitome of stability and reliability - i feel rather sad that vegas seems to be going the same path.

frankly i'm not interested in new features till the existing ones work - and i know full well that vegas's hardware independent might be the cause of some problems (in peoples system set-ups rather than the software itself), it doesn't absolve the various memory, t/l, and rendering problems INTRODUCED with the latest release.

after so many years of reliable service, and singing vegas's praises to both my clients and students, i would dearly like to be able to say, 'well 9d fixed all that - i can't wait to see what's new in 10!"

leslie

SCS has certainly taken customer communication to a whole new level in the last several years.

Well according to their latest newsletter there will be a Vegas party at NAB this year. A S&M theme would seem appropriate.


Bob.

> A S&M theme would seem appropriate.

You is too wicked Bob!

- g

Doesn't S&M stand for Salsa & Margaritas?
:-)

Mike

Yes Mike, that's it.

(Will somebody PLEASE hold his hand while in VEgas? Seesh . . .)

Grazie

Grazie, at least I've been there - once for NAB and once with my wife.
We're STILL waiting for you to show up!!!

Mike

I want to use 9.0c because of the better AVCHD codces, better preview of HD on the timeline - and yes, among some other very valid reasons. One being that I have PAID for the extra features, and should assume that they already work in version c!!!

What better AVC codec are you refering to? Can you provide a link to details? Just want to learn about it.

As for HDV capture, that does not work and should be deleted from the feature set. And since HDV is nearly dead, it's just not work spending any time on.

When did HDV die?
JJK

jjk - it certainly isn't!

however, all this emphasis on avchd is a pita. it's a bloody consumer format masquerading as something more. if i want (and i do) to edit avchd material i encode to mxf - i'm really not interested in vegas having to handle 'natively' every bloody format out there - it's a pro nle (supposedly), and as a pro i expect to work with 'pro' codecs.....

leslie

"jjk - it certainly isn't!"

Yes it is.
They still sell the technology and will for some time to come. But there has been no advancement in the field what so ever for quite a while now. It has all stopped. And not just in the hardware industry but the software industry as well. In effect... it is dead.

If you wish to see further advancement in lenses... ois... blah, blah, blah... you will have to look at another technology because you won't find it in HDV.

I was having terrible problems with freezes in all sorts of programs on my new Win7-64bit setup - on old hardware that worked fine in WinXP. Finally, I got rid of my 3 software Raid-0 disk arrays and now never have a long-interval (maybe 30 seconds) freeze. I still get freezes with XYplorer (Windows Explorer substitute) of, maybe, 5 or 6 seconds; but I'm not complaining. Perhaps the HDrive Awake utility will fix them too - I usually have about a dozen drives hooked up at any given time - around 10 SATA, 2 USB.

Why so many disks? Following a recommendation on another thread, I put the clips from my 2 or 3 cameras on separate hard disks, with stills on yet another. Yet another, an SSD, is Win7-64 boot disk and holds Vegas. Still another SSD is for the Win7 PageFile and doubles as my WinXP boot disk. The others are for old, on-going projects.

As for Vegas, my recent projects have been of modest size. I always edit in 8c, and render in 9c-64bit (9b probably would be even better). I also always re-encode all clips to an intermediate - either NeoScene or PicVideo (usually the latter); I try to avoid having PicVideo & Cineform codec-encoded clips on the same timeline.

Result? I never ever have a problem of any type - always smooth as silk.

Some of my old, long-form complex .VEGs must occasionally be re-edited. Never once did any of them ever come close to rendering in one piece in my 32-bit WinXP installation of Vegas - I always had to cut them into 2-min. segments, render the segments, then put all the segments on the TL for a final render. But again, I now edit in 8c, then render in 9c-64bit. Never a problem so far, and no need for 2-min. segments.

It's a bit inelegant to first render all with a common codec like PicVideo's MJPG to separate disks, and then have to put them into 8c, then render in 9c-64bit - but this procedure has been rock solid for me for several months. I've now returned to the fanboy fold.

"Interestingly I have seen the same temporary freeze in other applications on Win7 64 bit. "

Would you happen to be using a "green" hard-disk? The eco-"Green" disks do power down if they aren't accessed for a while, and they are normally running at 5400 RPM, but burst to 7200 RPM "as needed".

I know you weren't responding to me, but I just pulled a two-month-old WD 1.5 T green disc from my (non-editing) computer because it kept freezing on me, even while the computer was in use. It was divided into three partitions. I installed it on a newer computer, where it continues to freeze whenever I work on anything that accesses it. I plan to ship it back as soon as I find the time to wipe it. Does anyone know of a tweak or application to prevent the powering down?

Jeff,

I might have not used the right words when I said "better AVCHD" codec. I just referred to some of the improvements SCS has made from 9.0b to 9.0c. I quote the release notes:
Notable fixes/changes in Version 9.0c:
I would say that these are improvements to how AVCHD material is handled, and I certainly would like to use these improvements. 9.0c just hangs on me for a minute or so, just to continue working again for a while, and then hangs again... This renders 9.0c totally unusable. 9.0b works in this respect just fine. Reverted back to it and can live with it, but I am NOT very happy about the situation. Its just not me, many others have the same problem...

Christian