SOT - Windows 10 not free anymore... did you go 10


Former user wrote on 8/3/2016, 4:54 PM
[I]I cannot open a script file directly inside the Script Menu folder. It is "read-only" and I have not found away to change that.[/I]

First off, I can open the script files just fine (using notepad). But, then again any file or folder marked "read only" can be read or opened. It just can't be written to (or flagged as open-for-writing). Maybe I misunderstand what you are attempting to do?
wwaag wrote on 8/3/2016, 5:31 PM
You're right. I can open script files, but I can't change them. Since many scripts require the user to make changes, it's really inconvenient. As a script writer, it's not too bad since I make changes, do a build, and then test them by opening them directly in my scripting project folder. However, as a user, that means I have to copy them into another directory, make changes, and then copy back to the script menu. With Win 7, no problem. Its just a PIA in Win 10.


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OldSmoke wrote on 8/3/2016, 7:02 PM
I read a few asking "why did you decide to not upgrade?". I find the question itself flawed. The question that should be asked is "Why did you decide to upgrade?"

I disagree. The upgrade was free, if it would have been a paid version I wouldn't have upgraded. Also keep in mind that eventually you will run out of luck with your old OS like no drivers for new hardware and software that won't work anymore. Sure, you keep your old box but will die eventually too.

Today, the Win10 Anniversary upgrade came out that made Win10 even a bit better.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

craftech wrote on 8/3/2016, 7:55 PM
Finished a new build a month ago and installed Windows 7 (purchased in May). That is the first computer that doesn't have Windows XP Pro on it. So I am new to Windows 7, but there is a boatload of information on how to tweak it and eliminate corporate intrusions on my privacy. Also there are many many happy users out there.

The Windows 7 disk came with a free "upgrade" to Windows 10. I got a lot of nag screens imploring me to install it for free. I passed on it after learning the following":

1. Microsoft openly stated that pervasive data will be present in any Windows version starting from Windows 10 and as a host of research on the Internet shows, this data collection cannot be disabled using official means.

If you decide to disable total tracking (including keyboard scanning and voice recording) you'll have to disable over a hundred different Internet addresses and then no one guarantees that a new Windows update doesn't add new hosts because Microsoft surely is not interested in losing such a lucrative feature meant for Big Brother agencies.

2. User control of Windows Updates has been stripped.

3. Microsoft has stated multiple times, Windows 10 will not have any service packs, Windows 10 is the final version of Windows, because Windows 10 has become a service, it will be updated over time to bring new features and remove the old ones. Windows 10 you might have updated to in Sept. 2015 will be a different OS than Windows 10 plus all its updates a year later.

So I said, "No Thanks" to Windows 10 "free upgrade".


VidMus wrote on 8/3/2016, 9:38 PM
Windows 10 Professional 64 bit Full Version and a clean install. No more OEM limitations.

I originally did the free upgrade which worked sort of fine for a while but it soon started to have issues from the previous install.

The clean install with the professional version is working almost 100%. The only problem I have is the drivers for my sound card are not yet up to par. I need my sound card for my sound fonts to go with my music.

While it is nice to save some money and go with the free upgrade, it is much nicer to get the reliability I want and need. I do not have time to troubleshoot strange problems that will show up sooner or later.
VidMus wrote on 8/3/2016, 9:40 PM
craftech said, "2. User control of Windows Updates has been stripped."

That is not a problem with the Professional version.
DiDequ wrote on 8/4/2016, 12:22 PM
2 different point of views here :
- 7 (or 8) is working perfectly, why should I upgrade ! and - or - no time to loose.
- Using 10 - then fresh install, minor or no problem.
Both are good choices just because we all have different needs.

I upgraded to win 10, and did a fresh install. Now, I just upgraded to 10 redstone, and installed linux bash compatibility, just because my main Os is Linux, not Windows.
Vegas pro 13, Dvd Architect pro 6 and the 5 other software I use under 10 are all working.

I had to get used to Xp when moving from 98, then getting used to 7, Xp was running fine and I enjoyed it.
I know how to tune 10 because I'm using it since 08/2015.

Next year (2017), I'll move to redstone wave2, just because I do hope Windows will increase it's Linux compatibility.

Apple moved from Mac Os 9 to Osx, based on freebsd, a linux cousin, in 1999, because they know the unix architecture is better than Os9. It's bash is very similar to Linux.

Windows 10 (they'll keep this number) is moving slowly towards linux, unix, or a cousin of unix, just because Microsoft knows it's actual base is not good - why should they have added bash ubuntu support with redstone if they think windows is the best ! Think of "secure boot" ! At that time, Microsoft did a "linux blackout", and today, compatibility is there...

Of course, you can avoid redstone and forget linux commands. But if you are curious and ready to understand how linux operates, you'll be ready for the Microsoft's future. This is my point of view, I do not pretend to be right - so many things I do not know.
But this is a forum, I'm only sharing my point of view.
Spectralis wrote on 8/4/2016, 1:14 PM
I advise anyone upgrading to Win 10 to do a clean install. I upgraded my laptop but didn't upgrade my Win 7 audio editing PC or my Win 8.1 video editing PC. I dislike the way MS has undermined privacy and control in Win 10. This was bad enough in Win 8.1 but Win 10 is a disgrace for privacy protection. Why would anyone pay MS for an OS that hands over details about their computer use? Who then owns this information?

Win 10 is a really frightening incursion into the field of personal information stealing that Apple and Google have pioneered. This is spun as improving social networking but it's really about selling data and targeting the sale of products. At least Google offer their data stealing software for free. I think Win 10 is too late for MS to recover ground in the mobile arena. Android and iOS will release Office alternatives that will eclipse Microsoft's pay-for products so the argument that those with Win 7 & 8 who didn't upgrade will be left behind is potentially redundant.

In practice, Win 10 is not a significant improvement over Win 7 and Win 8 on the desktop. Having used all three, the ease of refreshing an installation in Win 10 stands out but then again this is completely offset by the privacy issues. Oh, and the mail app in Win 10 is not fit for purpose.
craftech wrote on 8/5/2016, 8:02 AM
Why would anyone pay MS for an OS that hands over details about their computer use? Who then owns this information?
Some (in the US anyway) consider this "patriotic" no doubt thanks to the propaganda mills (corporate media) that have also been promoting the idea that we have to give up cell phone encryption "to be safe from terrorists". I don't know how many believe that sort of evidence free corporate propaganda, but it certainly prevails across cable and network news.

VMP wrote on 8/5/2016, 8:51 AM

Windows 10 free upgrade for customers who use assistive technologies

Spectralis wrote on 8/5/2016, 12:32 PM
I think MS will have to offer Win10 for free otherwise I don't think the incentive to pay for an upgrade is there apart from those building their own PC systems. Win 7's extended support ends in 2020, four years from now, so it's not like there's an urgency to upgrade unless MS release some incredible Win10 feature we all can't do without.

In the last eight years since I built my Win7 system all parts that I've upgraded, such as the GPU card, have worked with it. All of the software I own works on it. Four years is a long time in technology and iOS and Android represent huge competition. Hopefully MS will eventually realise this and act accordingly. Before I upgrade I'm waiting to see if there's a solution to the data stealing in the next four years.
OldSmoke wrote on 8/5/2016, 1:09 PM

I have Win10Pro and disabled almost all features that would collect data otherwise.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

craftech wrote on 8/5/2016, 4:15 PM
Thanks for pointing those out Old Smoke. I found KB3080149 spyware and KB3068708 spyware on my Windows 7 computer.

I tried twice to uninstall them and they were immediately reinstalled when I restarted the computer. I hid them and it still happened.

Any ideas about how to stay ahead of these predators?

EDIT: Never mind. I figured it out. It wouldn't let me modify the automatic updates service even as an administrator so I set the service to "Manual" in "services.msc"

Kit wrote on 8/5/2016, 6:06 PM
Completely agree. I hope Magix will start working on a linux version of Vegas. Can't see myself moving my main machine to Windows 10 unless the data theft is curtailed.
cbrillow wrote on 8/6/2016, 10:20 AM
As a member of the Windows Insider program, running the Windows 10 Technical Preview for over two years, I've found 10 to be very fast and reliable. Initially, I ran it on aging hardware that I'd taken out of service as an everyday machine. That it would run on older hardware without problem was impressive.

I held off updating my other machines until the past couple of months, but before the deadline did the upgrades on all of them that were compatible, leaving me with 6 Windows 10 computers, three of which I've already taken to the Anniversary Update. I only have a netbook, an old Dell laptop and my former video/audio editing computer running on XP. The netbook and the Dell wouldn't handle it, hardware-wise. The old A/V machine has quite a few programs that are not supported on 10, and I ran out of eligible upgradable licenses, anyway.

One oddity: Windows 10 frequently uninstalls Piriform's Speccy, complaining that it's not compatible. And then I download and a fresh copy, which works just fine...

And one BIG bonus: A couple of years ago, I bought a copy of Sonar X3 as an upgrade from Guitar Tracks and Sonar X1, which I used to record multiple tracks simultaneously from my Delta 1010LT sound card. I could not get it to run properly on Windows 7 or 8, seemingly because of a driver issue. (M-Audio stopped issuing drivers for the 1010LT after releasing a 64-bit version for 7.) So I've been using the older Sonar X1 up until now.

After installing Windows 10, I've found that the newer version of X3 runs just fine, using the old Windows 7 drivers. Caveat: have only done some initial testing -- haven't tried a multi-channel recording yet...

At any rate, I'm pleased with the upgrade experience, which went very smoothly. (but I did image backups of all the machines before taking the plunge, just in case something went wrong...)
Former user wrote on 8/6/2016, 10:53 PM
I just use the assistive technologies to update my third computer. Just wanted to have it registered in the future so I imaged it back to Windows 7.

But the assistive tech upgrade works and is free and doesn't need any verification of using assistive tech.
TheRhino wrote on 8/9/2016, 12:24 PM
I am religious about backing up the OS before updates. I still have backup images of every OS going back to XP... I backup the initial install after activation & then I backup the last day before an OS upgrade.

I built all of our workstations with hot swap bays/trays. Copies of source video are on fast RAID0, work files are on RAID10 for redundancy & the OS SSD is in a spare hot swap bay not used by the RAIDs. Work files are always kept on the RAID10 so I only backup the OS SDD after updates, etc. are installed & working properly.

I held-out until the LAST minute to update to Win 10 but I just copied an image of the last Win7 backup & updated that (new) SSD only. All seems to be working well but I have the old SSD handy just in case.

This is the longest I have ever gone without updating CPU/MB/RAM so the same workstations have been upgraded from XP 32 to Vista 32 Ultimate to Win7 64 to Win10 64. I have (4) Core I7 Q980Xs combined with GTX570 GPUs & Vegas flies along just as fast as most newer systems...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

Spectralis wrote on 8/11/2016, 11:35 AM
Thanks for the info about Win 7 & 8 privacy intrusion, Old Smoke. I wasn't aware of this. At least it appears to be possible to block these updates atm.

If anyone's interested in the implications of big data and social regulation then, 'The Happiness Industry' by William Davies, is quite revealing. I wasn't aware just how influential commercial data collection is on a wide range of policy decisions that affect our lives.