SOT - Windows 10 not free anymore... did you go 10

Hulk wrote on 8/2/2016, 1:42 PM
So I loaded Win10 on my desktop a few months ago and some software didn't work. I didn't want to spend time or money getting it going so I reverted to back to Win7. The Win10 upgrade didn't work on my Lenovo T450s laptop, some strange errors I don't remember at the moment but I'd have to do a fresh Win 8.1 install to get generic drivers installed then upgrade to Win10. Again I just didn't have the energy to deal with it.

So now I'm thinking I'll just use 8.1 on the laptop until I'm done with this laptop and upgrade my desktop when I absolutely have to... next year? Two years? Three years?

Anyone else hold off like I did and miss the free upgrade deadline?

I'm also curious it MS will offer it free again. The "free" thing was I think a push to get everyone on board. But they still want everybody on board I think.


xberk wrote on 8/2/2016, 1:56 PM
I did not do the Windows 10 upgrade on my main PC or Laptop. Things running good for me so why do it? . But when I do another build for a new editing machine (maybe in 6 months) , I'll use Windows 10. By then we'll have Vegas 14 and I assume someone will report on running it on Windows 10. I generally only upgrade my OS on a new build.

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Former user wrote on 8/2/2016, 2:02 PM
While I did try Win 10 for several months on a single machine last August - I just as quickly axed it and then made it my personal directive to ensure none of our workstations were ever stained by the whole Win 10 /GWX debacle.

For me - it was never even about Windows 10 in itself (which I thought in August 2015 just needed some polish) - it was all about how Microsoft treated me like a malware victim for a solid year by trying any lowlife tactic to try and fake me out to install that stink instead of accepting the fact that I did not want to upgrade - right now.

Now I look at that company as a bunch of desperate a-holes who would sell their mother out to add another computer to their epic fail "billion in three years" plan.

In reality - actual audio/video work - the OS has no zero bearing on anything. There is no reason to take a prime, stable DAW running Windows 7 - offline for up to a week at a time just to upgrade to that mess.

Windows 7 will suit us just fine until 2020. I just wish Microsoft would have let me say no last summer and honored that choice. I may have actually upgraded by now.

john_dennis wrote on 8/2/2016, 2:32 PM
Since I have system images of all four of my systems, I formatted the SSDs and did a clean installation of Windows 10 on each, activated and restored the Windows 7 Professional production images. So far, I used Windows 10 on my main edit machine for about a week. For the edits that I did, it worked fine. I don't currently have Windows 10 on any of the four systems though I could in about 5 minutes.
JJKizak wrote on 8/2/2016, 2:40 PM
I used the free Windows 10 on one of my 32 bit Windows 7 computers and it worked great with some minor hiccups. One was Vegas 11 pro opening menu view and placement which I had to place all the menus in position then save that to a preset then when it opened funny just select the preset and everything OK. DVD-A was just fine on the menus. Security Essentials was moved to the Defender as was Windows update. It saved everything that was in Windows 7 and I am very happy with it.
Former user wrote on 8/2/2016, 3:29 PM
I upgraded an ASUS netbook from Windows 8 home; a dual Xeon workstation from Windows 7 pro; and my main workstation from Windows 7 pro. So far, except for a licensing hiccup with Particle Illusion, everything is working just fine.
VMP wrote on 8/2/2016, 3:50 PM
What is the 'best' version of W10? Is that 'Pro'?
I'll be buying the oem version later on.

If something is 'free' then there must be a reason behind it.
There are so many messages on the net stating that W10 is all the time spying on you (the paid version would probably do the same).

6 free tools that stop Windows 10 from spying on everything you do

Windows 10 spying: How to opt out of Microsoft's intrusive new terms of use Windows 10 Spying - Privacy & Security[/b]

There are many more:"Stop windows 10 from spying on you"[/link]


Mister Mahler wrote on 8/2/2016, 4:03 PM
I got 6 PC's upgraded in last minute from W7 and W8.1

Just to keep them up to date now that it was free

Sofar no problems, seems smooth and nice, everything still works,...

Feels like a little increase in speed

Guess I like W10 better than W8.1 ,.. also for the look and handeling
dxdy wrote on 8/2/2016, 4:12 PM
I did the Win 10 upgrade on my editing machine a week or so ago, and mostly everything is fine. I have now discovered that Win 10 won't talk to my Samsung S5 smart phone, an apparently common problem, and there are suggestions on the web that messing with USB drivers might fix. I am unwilling to go through that right now, with a big project due in a couple weeks, so I am using Airdroid to send photos to the Win 10 box.

I also have a USB3 hard disk attached, and it drops off from time to time.
FixitMad0 wrote on 8/2/2016, 4:21 PM
Just a reminder to anyone who performed the Free Windows 10 upgrade can "downgrade back to their previous OS within 30 days" of the install date.

I for one did Not partake in the Windows 10 upgrade. Too many issues with computers where I work and the Color Scheme they offer under Windows 10 is awful. Reminds me when Office 2013 came out and Microsoft only offered color choices of White, Grey and Dark Grey. Consumers complained and Microsoft indicated they heard users, but if you look the color scheme is still the same and now Windows 10 has taken the same stance.

Things that used to take 2 - 3 clicks now take longer. Try putting This PC icon (instead of calling it Computer or My Computer) on your desktop under Win 10. You now have to click Start | Settings | Personalization | Themes | Then you can click on Desktop Icon settings to select which Icons you want on your desktop. Under Windows 7 you could simple go to the Start button, right-click the Computer icon and Select Show on Desktop.

I feel Microsoft is still thinking Tablet instead of desktop for office use. I do not like it and will stick with Windows 7 Pro for now.

Just my 2 cents. Everyone has their own preference but Microsoft is going backwards with this version.
Former user wrote on 8/2/2016, 4:39 PM
Things that used to take 2 - 3 clicks now take longer. Try putting This PC icon (instead of calling it Computer or My Computer) on your desktop under Win 10. You now have to click Start | Settings | Personalization | Themes | Then you can click on Desktop Icon settings to select which Icons you want on your desktop. Under Windows 7 you could simple go to the Start button, right-click the Computer icon and Select Show on Desktop.

I already had "my computer" on my desktop before the upgrade and it's still there after the upgrade (as you mentioned, now titled "This PC") and not a single click ;-) But, I get your point about so many things being buried now.
Mister Mahler wrote on 8/2/2016, 4:48 PM

W10 is talking perfectly well to my Samsung S5 Neo ,... just checked it
John222 wrote on 8/2/2016, 5:13 PM
I upgraded to 10 a while back and everything works perfectly. Vegas 11 pro (64 bit), Fusion 8, Mocha Pro 4, Davinci Resolve 12.5 and Hitfilm 2 . Best OS yet.
DrLumen wrote on 8/2/2016, 5:18 PM
I tried just so I could image it, go back to win7 and possibly move to Win10 later. However, the upgrade crashed spectacularly and I spent all weekend getting Win7 installed and everything reloaded and working from a back up.

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Hulk wrote on 8/2/2016, 6:35 PM
I can't believe I didn't upgrade my systems, activate, and then restore. I'm generally all over that type of stuff but it was a super busy year.

Chienworks wrote on 8/2/2016, 7:42 PM
A lot of feelings against Win10 here echo my sentiments too. I had it on a work laptop for a while, absolutely detested it. Soooooooo many wonderful convenient things that made the user experience so amazing in 98SE and XP are gone, replaced by Microsoft's cookie-cutter disaster of how a tablet should run. Even 7 is insultingly lacking some hugely useful abilities and shortcuts that i grew to depend on in XP. The color scheme is terrible too. All the buttons in the tray were almost black text on black background. Changing the theme to make them visible caused other color clashes that made other things unreadable. The only way i could use the tray buttons was to hover the mouse over them and see what help text popped up over them. And since Win10 would rearrange them at it's whim, i couldn't even count on them being in the same order next time i needed to click one.

I couldn't care in the slightest about what Win10 offers (which, so far, seems like nothing). It's what they've removed over the last few versions that kills the deal for me. Microsoft, why in heaven can i no longer drag a shortcut to the start button and have it appear in the pop-up start menu? What was so terrifying to you about that amazingly wonderful functionality that you had to remove it? Why can't i reorder items in the start menu to suit my liking? What was so awful about that ability that you had to kill it? I was able to install a few 3rd party tweaks in Win7 to get *SOME* of the good stuff back, but these don't help in Win10.

This whole "pin to" system is woefully and laughably inadequate compared to how easy and simple things used to be with a simple, quick, and easy Ctrl-drag. Now if i want to add a program to the start menu i have to go find the executable file (how many casual users know how to find that?), right-mouse-button click Pin To, choose Start menu, and hope that Windows is in a good enough mood to acquiesce to my request because often it ignores it until i've tried a few times. Then it puts it at the bottom of the list, or maybe some other random spot, and i can't move it elsewhere. And, i can't remove those items without editing entries in a hidden directory using Administrator privileges and editing the registry. This is an improvement? Sorry, no. Its a huge leap back into the dark ages.

Win10 is a classic example of user-hostile programming.

So, i'm running Win7 as the boot OS, and do most of my work in an XP virtual machine because ... well, it gets done what i need and want to do in the manner i want to work, while newer versions don't.
imaginACTION_films wrote on 8/2/2016, 8:06 PM
My Win 10 experience. Two computers both on Win 76 64-bit. One for video/audio/graphics, the other for general stuff.

Video computer works fine, BUT:
Color scheme is not good for Vegas - selected buttons are not well distinguished from inactive ones. Can't seem to fix the scheme.

Too many steps to do simple things so I installed Classic View to make it more like Win 7. So far it's much better.

Firewire 1394 is poorly implemented. Legacy drivers were removed from 8 and 8.1, also 10. Therefore my expensive Nikon Coolscan 4000 film scanner won't work properly.

The other computer turned out to be incompatible with Win 10. Reversion to to Win 7 totally failed. Cost $200 to get it fixed at the local computer shop.

Microsoft help from India removed all traces of the auto installer for Win 10 (took about an hour of remote access). I also ran NEVER 10 in hope of putting it to rest. After all that I still get a New Updates are Available message on startup.

My conclusion: Win 7 was rock stable, easy to navigate, no issues for years. I really object to being forced into an upgrade I didn't need and which has cost me $200 for repairs and still isn't perfect. As ca Russian colleague would have said - How do I feel about Win 10? Not absolutely bad!

Thank goodness for Acronis. I can get back to a stable Win 7 any time I choose by restoring the disk image.
John_Cline wrote on 8/3/2016, 3:01 AM
Running Windows 10 on all eleven machines here with no problems whatsoever. It's highly customizable so I can make it look and act pretty much exactly how I want.
John_Cline wrote on 8/3/2016, 3:50 AM
Here are all the cool new features in the Windows 10 Anniversary Update which rolls out today:
ushere wrote on 8/3/2016, 6:32 AM
whilst i'm reasonably happy with 10 there are a number of REALLY irritating sideeffects:

a. killing m$ pen and ink so it doesn't conflict with a wacom

b. m$ updates keep changing MY associations back to theirs - this is a real PITA, especially with edge, pdf, etc.,

c. no explanation of what updates are actually doing / affecting.

d. treating me as if i'm non compos mentis - i'm not interested in cortana, edge, photos, etc.,
so let me decide what i want

otherwise i'm quite happy ;-)
Hulk wrote on 8/3/2016, 8:13 AM
I agree that XP was a fantastic GUI. I STILL miss the file explorer from XP. There are apps out there that mimic it, but not exactly.

It's amazing how a company will remove crucial features from an operating system with no regard for the users. Even after receiving lots of negative feedback they generally dig their heels in and refuse to add the feature so they can be "right."

For example, I just got a Nexus 5x phone and in the new version of Android you can't group text! You have to find an app to do this. It was so easy and clean with the built in texting app in my old Galaxy S3. Confounding why such a feature would be removed?
John_Cline wrote on 8/3/2016, 2:34 PM
"b. m$ updates keep changing MY associations back to theirs - this is a real PITA, especially with edge, pdf, etc.,"

Going to Settings > System > Default Apps > Choose Default Apps by File Type has worked for me in getting my choices to stick.
Former user wrote on 8/3/2016, 3:53 PM
Thanks John Cline. Windows 10 kept grabbing PDF and assigning it to Edge. I was able to set it back to Acrobat using your suggestion.
farss wrote on 8/3/2016, 4:30 PM
[I]" Anyone else hold off like I did and miss the free upgrade deadline?"[/I]

I made a conscious decision not to upgrade based on the "If it isn't broken don't try to fix it" argument. Like others I found it a difficult decision to implement, the better half was tricked into thinking it was just a vital security update.

I read a few asking "why did you decide to not upgrade?". I find the question itself flawed. The question that should be asked is "Why did you decide to upgrade?"

wwaag wrote on 8/3/2016, 4:40 PM
At the moment, I'm using Win 10 on a new laptop. My biggest complaint are the permissions. In particular, I cannot open a script file directly inside the Script Menu folder. It is "read-only" and I have not found away to change that. Moreover, Windows Explorer is a real mystery to me. Aside from that, it seems OK and it sure boots faster. I also did the free upgrade on my editing rig and another laptop. Since both were clean installs, no problems except finding drivers for an older laptop.


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