Speaking of low bitrate DVD renders ...

Chienworks wrote on 1/3/2016, 1:08 PM
Several years ago i picked up a DVD set of 15 old classic movies. For whatever reason i just now got around to peeling off the wrapping and popping one in the player. To my dismay, despite the size of the box the set came in it's on only two discs! The same packaging could easily have held 8 discs. They did at least use dual-layer, but even still there's about 10 hours on one disc and 11 on the other. The average bitrate seems to be somewhere in the 0.9Mbps range and the quality is astoundingly bad, looking like webvideo stuff from 15 years ago with horrible pixellation and macroblocks sliding and smearing all over the image whenever there's more than the slightest bit of movement.

It was a bit amusing in one scene when one actor passes a newspaper to another and while the paper moves across the frame the various letters on the page all broke up and wandered in separate directions, like someone pouring alphabet soup across the screen! Then when the paper became still it took about half a second for all the letters to rearrange themselves in the right places and become clear again.

What's sad is that while i probably paid less than $5 for this set, i would gladly have paid $20 for it to have been put on 8 discs instead of 2, and it probably would have cost the production company less than $3 more. Alas. It reminds me of the days when the cheap movies came out on VHS in ELP instead of SP just so that the production company could save a few cents on each tape. Some of these were classics not available anywhere else or i would have gladly paid more for a much better copy. Nerts!

Anyway, there have been a few discussions lately on appropriate bitrates for DVD encoding of longer material. The lesson is, don't cheat yourself, your video, or your viewers. Use higher bitrates and spread it over more discs if necessary! :)

Comments

Former user wrote on 1/3/2016, 1:47 PM
They are probably low resolution as well.
john_dennis wrote on 1/3/2016, 1:50 PM
If everyone in the world was just like me, compression would never have been invented. [I]Viva la difference![/I]
Chienworks wrote on 1/3/2016, 1:56 PM
Compression is a necessary evil. Without it, we'd still be watching VHS because DVDs & BluRays wouldn't exist yet.
john_dennis wrote on 1/3/2016, 2:05 PM
Noted.

On Sunday, my wife likes to read the paper in the family room in front of the 4K TV. When I went down, this is what she was "watching" (she was also on the phone with her hairdresser). Likely much better picture than your DVDs.

General
ID : 1 (0x1)
Complete name : E:\BeyondTV\Gun Fury-2016-01-03-0.m2ts
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 33.3 MiB
Duration : 2mn 1s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 2 291 Kbps

Video
ID : 97 (0x61)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Custom
Format settings, GOP : Variable
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 000 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Scan order : 2:3 Pulldown
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.241
Time code of first frame : 00:00:00;00
Time code source : Group of pictures header
Stream size : 29.0 MiB (87%)

Audio
ID : 100 (0x64)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Format settings, Endianness : Big
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 2.79 MiB (8%)
Language : English

Text #1
ID : 97 (0x61)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : A/53 / DTVCC Transport
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 97 (0x61)-CC1
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : SCTE 20
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Duration : 2mn 1s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)
riredale wrote on 1/3/2016, 4:13 PM
"Compression" is a wonderful thing and a source of fascination to me. Without it the world would be very different. Compression was used back when we got our Internet via dialup; compression was an essential part of analog color TV (monochrome channel at full resolution, color information at greatly-reduced resolution). Heck, compression was even part of Morse Code (letters used most often got shortest codes).

The idea of course is to not carry things to an extreme.
PeterDuke wrote on 1/3/2016, 6:21 PM
Somebody gave us a boxed set of old musicals (packaged by Payless). There are 50 movies on 12 double sided single layer disks (if they are all the same - I have only checked two). The bit rate is about 3000 kbps, variable.

The bitrate generally seems adequate for the source quality, although there are times when I can see some digital artefacts as well as the scratches and specks on the film.

We have had them for a year but so far have only watched one disc (four movies in B&W).