I think Desux simply needs to start a Vegas fanboy forum.

And then leave the rest of us here at SCS who like using Vegas to discuss it's good and bad points, and the good and bad things we feel about the competition.

>>>If the sales were anything like YOU claim they were please explain how in the world Sonic Foundry got themselves in such dire financial straights ???<<<

Bad investments? Besides when was that?

Macs are 6-7% of all the computer users. That is your flat earth.
If you guys still want to believe that all those movies were edited on FCP, be my guest.

Desux, is this enough of a list for you?

* The Rules of Attraction (2002)
* Full Frontal (2002)
* Cold Mountain (2003) (Academy Award Nominee for Best Editing)
* Intolerable Cruelty (2003)
* Napoleon Dynamite (2003)
* Open Water (2003)
* The Ladykillers (2004)
* Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (2004)
* Super-Size Me (2004)
* Michael Moore Hates America (2004)
* Corpse Bride (2005)
* Dreamer: Inspired by a True Story (2005)
* Happy Endings (2005)
* Jarhead (2005)
* Little Manhattan (2005)
* Black Snake Moan (2006)
* Hoot (2006)
* Letters from Iwo Jima (2006)
* Happy Feet (2006)
* Zodiac (2007)
* No Country for Old Men (2007)
* Reign Over Me (2007)
* Youth Without Youth (2007)
* Reno 911!: Miami (2007)
* Balls of Fury (2007)
* 300 (2007)
* The Comebacks (2007)
* We Are the Strange (2007)
* Where the Wild Things Are (2008)

i'd be interested to see the end credits part where they mention FCP was the exclusive editor used. Avid is always mentioned in the credits.

"Since so many people swear by the dependability of a MAC, maybe Vegas would work better on that platorm Bob."

Badly written apps crash on any OS.
Vegas used to be rock solid. XP and Win2K haven't changed.

I believe there is some nice features in OSX like Core Audio.
The black / errant frame problem seems entrenched. Of all the Vegas issues it is the most worrying.
Despite what some here say Vegas is a huge resource hog. That seem to be a big part of the problem and it seems to come from the very architecture of Vegas rather than buggy code. Low level error handling is also perhaps an issue with Vegas. The Vegas approach to many issues at the low level seems to be to walk away from the problem saying it's not their problem. That might be true but the user plain doesn't care. Other apps get on with the job and deal with it. Adobe seem to have coded around their problems with HDV. I don't care if Vegas's problems with HD are MC's fault or M$'s drivers fault. The good / bad thing about Windows is you seem to be able to code around these problems. Simple case in point. Compare Vidcap to SCLive. Vidcap cannot handle the dual mono from the PDX10 camera because of how Windows does audio. SCLive gets around the problem. One guy can fix it, a team of programmers can't or won't.

Bob.

Bob.

Do a bit of research before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
The answers are buried in this and the audio forum.

At one stage many were even thinking Vegas could have been bought by Microsoft. The buyout by Sony caught most of us by surprise. And a big thank you to Sony for saving the day, still.

Sure Macs account for only 6% of total computer sales.
Sony's F23 and F900 cameras only account for less than 1% of their camera sales. There's been a heck of lot more movies shot with that camera than the rest of their camera lineup combined.

Bob.

>>Desux, is this enough of a list for you?<<<

How many times do I have to tell you that those movies were not edited with FCP? at least majority of those ( especially big studios )

Any moron can post "facts" in wikipedia. Do some research, then come back.

>>>i'd be interested to see the end credits part where they mention FCP was the exclusive editor used. Avid is always mentioned in the credits.<<<

Exactly. It's all bullshit.

What do you define as "edited" ??

You can edit DV proxies in any NLE with a 24fps T/L and spit out an EDL. Not exactly rocket science and not a big deal. I and thousands of other have edit a movie without a computer, period.

You want to go from a 2K scan, right through a NLE and straight to the printer, now you face a challenge. Vegas can't even get started, it can't even read a film scan let alone output dpx files, or 16 bit tiffs.

Bob.

Vegas 5 runs under Ubuntu Linux under Wine.

I have Vegas 5 on my Mac running under DarWine. I am posting a tutorial on how to make it work over the weekend.

>>>What do you define as "edited" ??<<<

These days it's more important who does the editing than what it's edited on. You can edit on any of these NLEs

My point is that Apple fans are full of it. And it's a well known thing. Major studios edit with Avid. From that list above, I already mentioned Letters from Iwo JIma was edited on Avid, 300 was edited on avid as well. Almost everything is still edited on avid, and Apple just buys product placement for FCP, or Apple fans spread misinformation because somebody somewhere overheard grip boy's fluffer used fcp to edit his home movies while on breaks during the filming of some major studio movie.

It's the same old story as with CGI. Company X claims Titanic was done with its 3D app because some guy in some subcontracted production company used it to model a bottle that appeared in the movie. They conveniently forget to mention that the rest of the movie was done with company Y's 3D program.

Use what you will, and ignore marketing circles.

Back on topic. It makes no sense for Sony to develop a mac version. Too much investment for no return. It's an insignificant market share, and also one that has( for the most part ) been brainwashed into Apple fans, and you never know whether your application will work with the next OSX upgrade ( happens all the time )

And WTF is this: Michael Moore Hates America

It's like advertising: Look even fools can use FCP

This is amazing! Ventura Software! Glad you are still around John! check www.smecc.org I still get to live the old days, do video stuff now... Interesed in a chapter on the companies site for the museum... drop by and scour the museum's site.

Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC ( Retired CEO Computer Exchange Inc.)
And Sony Vegas user... heck it won me an Emmy (r) award!

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Subject: RE: Suggestion for Wider Adoption of Vegas
Reply by: johnmeyer
Date: 4/17/2008 9:16:49 AM

I founded and ran Ventura Software for five years in the 1980s. It was desktop publishing for the PC at a time when the only real reason to own a Mac was desktop publishing. I got asked every single day when we would do a Mac version. Even then, from a business standpoint it was a no-brainer: we could get 30% of the PC market (which we easily had -- sometimes a lot more) or we could get 10% of the Mac market. Even though DTP was a small percentage of the PC market, by the time you go through all the math, the numbers are MUCH larger on the PC side, even though the Mac gets more attention simply becuase that is the Mac's raison d'être. As a software developer, however, you make a LOT more money selling software for the PC.


Message last edited on 4/17/2008 9:17:54 AM, by johnmeyer.

Avid seems to be king the news stations too...

I am trying to find uses in large news situations to use as a presentation to someone.... the one large one i ran into tended to fizzle and become a conflict of interest for some of the parties involved...

can someone point me to a bulleted list of users I can present to these people?

Ed Sharpe



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AVID is still the only game in major studios, the only reason AVID needs to compete with FCP is small time market. Big studios already have all the AVIDS they need, and they won't be buying more every month.

If the sales were anything like YOU claim they were please explain how in the world Sonic Foundry got themselves in such dire financial straights ???

Sonic Foundry still exists as a company.
It was not the media products that got them in bad financial shape. Their main product, is a distance-education/training/videoconferencing with rich media software. I believe one license of it will buy many hundreds of copies of Vegas. There were still developing/introducing it to the market, when they got swamped in tech downturn in 2001/2002.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,110570-page,1/article.html

Bob,
You are a long time participant in this forum and I value your opinion.
I judge from your comments about VP8 that you do not use it.
Have you switched NLEs?
What one do you prefer?
It's the only one I've every used.
Have alwasy been told it is the easiest to master. But are others FCP, Premier just as editor friendly?
I've been using Vegas since version 3 and as we look at the prospect of moving into the world of HD is it time to leave this software in the past and move on?

[i]"Since so many people swear by the dependability of a MAC"[i]

That's just not true at all. I'm sure those who Mac think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread... but the term "so many people" just ain't so.

While it is true that macs are gaining in popularity, they are no where NEAR as common as PC's. In fact Apple couldn't even get their machines on the map until they started building them more like PC's.

You hear a lot about Mac's especially in the video industry.... mainly because of FCP, but outside of that... it's "Mac who???" The fact is that other kinds of software for a Mac is still pretty slim pickin's... unless of course you want to go with Wine or something like that... and start running pc programs on the mac.

Glad you are still around John! So am I.

Major studios edit with Avid.

So when Walter Murch stood in front of me for nearly an hour and went through every detail of his workflow for editing every second of Cold Mountain on FCP, because he had gotten fed up with Avid's rudeness/complacency/etc., he was lying?

And the 100,000 Vegas licenses quoted by SCS at NAB represent a greater number than FCP's quoted 1,000,000 licenses?

At last year's NAB, the official quoted number for FCP was 750,000 licenses.

Sony just said they had boosted the number of Vegas users by 50% over the last year, so they would have had about 67,000 users a year ago.

So Vegas has experienced a higher rate of growth than FCP.

Assuming this continues, Vegas should pass FCP by 2018!

:O)

Course,

I'd give up arguing with him.

Desux is just a sniveling fanboy. Nothing more, nothing less.

Are we able to set a person on ignore in this forum? That would be a handy tool.

Despite carefully wording and clarifying the purpose of this thread for fear of a "battle" twice, it's the Monitor vs the Merrimack anyway.

Sheesh!

John

I always heard that companies were pretty tightlipped about info.


Can anyone confirm that SCS said "Vegas has 100,000 licenses." ?

It's not straying from the topic, John. There will not be a wider adoption of Vegas, now or in the future.

Sony's not interested in it, and neither is the marketplace.

We can all come up with various scenarios or ideas, but nobody really cares about it.

The last I heard, there were around 400,000 Vegas licences in Europe alone.