Suggestions for system upgrade

MikeLV wrote on 11/4/2013, 7:55 PM
When I was doing SD editing, this system was fine, however, like many others have said on this forum, many crashes are occurring and I'm editing AVCHD instead of SD. I've listed my current specs below:

-Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155

-ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 Motherboard

-HIS H467QR1GH Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

-G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

-Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal System Drive

-COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler

-Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power Supply

Now that I'm editing AVCHD, what upgrade(s) would provide the most improvement for smoother editing and faster encoding? OR, should I scrap the whole system (by this, I mean give to a coworker for regular word processing, web browsing type work) and build a new system?

Comments

OldSmoke wrote on 11/4/2013, 8:13 PM
Hmmm… Actually I used a i7-2600K based system for AVCHD editing without a problem. Are you still on Win7x64?

The motherboard is good, have you tried over clocking the CPU to 4.1-4.3GHz with your current cooler?
I would upgrade the RAM to GSkill Ripjaw XL PC17000, 2130MHz; 8GB is sufficient.
Get an Nvidia GTX580, GTX570 or at least 560Ti, driver 296.10, preferable ASUS to fit the MB.
A 750W power supply of good quality.
I guess you have more then just one HDD in your system? 3xHDD is, IMHO, the minimum; 1x System, 1x Footage and 1x Rendering.
That would be the minimum for me.
Depending on how much you are manipulating the footage you might need more and I would straight jump into a socket 2011 system; six cores are just better then four.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

GeeBax wrote on 11/4/2013, 8:19 PM
+1 on what he said.

The only thing I would mention is that I use a pair of Samsung 840 Pro SSDs and when the project is finished, I move all of it off onto a 2TB conventional drive. That way I get fast performance but don't fill up the drive with old projects.

Geoff
MikeLV wrote on 11/4/2013, 8:43 PM
I have not tried overclocking, mostly because I don't know how to do that kind of stuff and am afraid I'll mess something up permanently =(

See:
http://blog.whitesites.com/Graphics-Card-for-the-Fastest-Rendering-in-Sony-Vegas-Pro-12__635078797007330625_blog.htm
"Plus it requires water cooling ( notice the water ports on the top of the card )."

Water cooling?? Is that something I really want to get into? I don't even want to bring a coke in here for fear of knocking it over and ruining a hard drive or something lol..

Regarding the video card, is the performance just experienced during encode, or does the better video card also improve the editing process itself?

Yes, I have a system drive (not SSD) and regular external firewire drives for projects.

The other side of this is that I want to be sure I have hardware that is stable and doesn't cause Vegas to crash...
OldSmoke wrote on 11/4/2013, 9:56 PM
MikeLV

You don't need a water-cooled card. The GTX570 which I have in my system doesn't even break a sweat under Vegas Pro. But you have to check if it fits into your casing, it is a rather large card taking up 3 slots and it is also quite long. I had a GTX560Ti and performance difference is in the area of +60% on average. The performance is felt during editing and rendering depending on the codec you use.
Don't use external firewire drives for editing work, they are just too slow. You can use them to store your footage and archive projects. Your motherboard should have plenty of SATA ports including SATA-III 6GB ports and even onboard RAID? There are many more "tricks" to get the most from a system and changing your system drive to a SSD is one of them. GeeBax like me also uses SSDs for editing and like me stores projects and footage on conventional HDDs.
If you want an even more stable system, do yourself a favor and buy a UPS (uninterruptible power supply). It does two things; a) save from a power outage that could ruin a hole day of work and more, b) supply the system with a smooth and stable current and voltage. Many, Many, Many people underestimate the influence the "dirty" power that comes out of a wall outlet has on the system.
Overclocking your current system is very easy and there are many tutorials on the internet. I believe even the manual tells you how to do it. I had mine running on 4.3GHz but I had a water cooler. A closed loop water cooler such as a H60 or H80 for the CPU is nothing to be afraid off; it's as easy to install as an air cooler. These are pre-filled with coolant and sealed systems. The really weak point in your current system is the power supply unit, RAM, HDD and graphic card.

As I said earlier, I had a system like yours, exactly same board, same CPU, similar memory (mine was and still is G.Skill PC17000 4x4GB), Win7Pro64, a 1200W power supply, PSU and a GTX570. I never had any of the issues people in this forum have with their systems. VP11 and VP12 have always worked for me and that with GPU acceleration on at all times.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MTuggy wrote on 11/5/2013, 12:35 AM
I just swapped out my C drive with Samsung SSD (750GB). Really humming - like having a new PC - software opens in a flash (hehe, literally). Was about $500.

Shop around though. I didn't find the best price on Amazon like I thought I would. B&H had better prices.

Mike
MikeLV wrote on 11/5/2013, 10:36 AM
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply and explain these things. AVCHD is such a pain to deal with, especially with two video tracks. I'm looking forward to the improvements after the upgrades!

I understand having two SSD's, one for system and one for editing is preferred, but if I only get one, should it be used for the system or the editing?

So the GTX570 is Nvidia - since I have an ASUS board, I should try to find an ASUS brand card, or does it make a big difference at all?

No 570??:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%2050001315%20600030348&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Pagesize=100
VidMus wrote on 11/5/2013, 12:11 PM
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC1.A0.Xnvidia+gtx+570&_nkw=nvidia+gtx+570&_sacat=0&_from=R40

And I found a whole bunch of them at great prices.

I searched Nvidia and gtx and saw a list of cards and then saw the 570.
MikeLV wrote on 11/5/2013, 12:25 PM
No concern about buying hardware like that on eBay?

Old Smoke, you said you have the same board as me, so the 570 should mine as well, correct?
edenilson wrote on 11/5/2013, 12:46 PM
please vegas for mac
MikeLV wrote on 11/5/2013, 1:40 PM
Do all the GTX570 cards support two monitors?
OldSmoke wrote on 11/5/2013, 2:25 PM
Yes, the ASUS GTX570/580 will fit your board but you have to check on your casing. The card is aside from being 3 slots wide also rather long and you have to make sure it doesn't interfere with a drive cage or so. I am not sure if all 570 cards do support two monitors but the ASUS GTX570 does. I have tow in my system with 3 monitors and a HDTV for preview.

I bought my second GTX570 off eBay and it works flawless. The GTX580 is another 5-10% faster. However all socket 1155 boards will switch to 2x8 PCie when two cards are installed; also a reason why I switched to socket 2011.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MikeLV wrote on 11/5/2013, 3:34 PM
570 appears to be discontinued, is this just because it's a few years old?
OldSmoke wrote on 11/5/2013, 3:48 PM
That is the reason but you can get them off eBay at very good prices!

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MikeLV wrote on 11/5/2013, 7:19 PM
Is the GTX 600 series no good for my needs? They seem to be abundant.. Ranging in price from $100 to $1000!
OldSmoke wrote on 11/5/2013, 8:42 PM
GTX600 is based on Keppler architecture. Although this is a newer technology then the Fermi based 500 series, it isn't well supported under Vegas 11 & 12; same applies for 700 series cards.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

flyingski wrote on 11/6/2013, 12:28 AM
FWIW I'm running an Asus GTX 760 in a new system and V12 has operated perfectly. I'm away from home so can't tell you which driver I'm using but it was the one on the setup disk and it is NOT the latest driver.
OldSmoke wrote on 11/6/2013, 9:06 AM
@flyingski

Have you done any render speed tests? Would be nice to see a system with a newer graphic card to be better then old 500 series.

Is this a recent change? Your system spec still lists a 560Ti.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MikeLV wrote on 11/6/2013, 2:15 PM
I've heard a lot of negative stories about Windows 8 in general.. How does Vegas like it?
OldSmoke wrote on 11/6/2013, 2:32 PM
Avoid it as long as you can!

Vegas 12, Windows 8.1 and GTX570 is a no go for me.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=872946&Replies=10

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MikeLV wrote on 11/6/2013, 2:52 PM
I'm worried if I look at Final Cut Pro, I might like it and want to change everything over to Mac lol..
OldSmoke wrote on 11/6/2013, 3:08 PM
Good luck with that. I tried PPro, Avid, Edius…. non of them are as fast and intuitive as Sony Vegas, it took way to long to just get anything on the timeline.

Maybe it's just me?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

MikeLV wrote on 11/6/2013, 4:13 PM
I don't think it's you. I've never had any classes in video editing, and when I got into this new skill, Vegas was the only NLE that I was able to start using pretty quickly.
ushere wrote on 11/6/2013, 5:45 PM
+1 old smoke.

been there, done that (for over 35 years!).

my only caveat is don't believe everything you read - speed / value does not necessarily equate with buying the top of the range of everything (cpu / gpu). a simple example being the latest nvidia cards. 6xx/7xx don't seem to offer any major boost to preview, and as for rendering.... well there's enough written elsewhere regarding the problems with gpu acceleration.

i'm starting to think that perhaps my i7 920 is getting a bit long in the tooth, but am yet to be really convinced that buying the latest gen gpu is going to make that much difference to my bottom line. after all, i'm quite happy working at whatever preview setting works best, and most renders are overnight affairs anyway.

if i can halve my render times and double my preview rate then i'll jump, but as yet haven't read that that will happen.

if i gamed, then maybe i'd be upgrading sooner ;-)