@j.razz I must admit that I personally also prefer simple animated titles, intros, outros and lower thirds. For these I use my second NLE mainly, which has a lot of title templates which are easy to modify or to create my own. My kind of videos would look bad with 3D animations like blufftitler. The video should be the highlight and not the title intro. But ofcourse there will be enough editors who can use such 3D animations.

 

See for examples: https://www.outerspace-software.com/blufftitler

They already invented the wheel!

BluffTitler integration would be fantastic! Although i'm also into just simple and clear titles - where BluffTitler might be a bit of an 'overkill' - it can also be used for motion graphics, running texts, etc... 

So, what am I missing out on with the titler options that come with Vegas?

@j.razz - Your “wondering” has made your case quite succinctly. So for you, absolutely nothing. However, if you’d asked:

”What content do you create that requires you to have more advanced Text/Graphic Tools greater than those presently within VP?”

Simple 😊!

With a bit of imagination, there are enough native tools in VP, which can complement Titles & Text, to make some really neat animated titles and lower thirds.
However, I do realise that for commercial purposes where time is at a premium, this may not be a viable solution. Perfect for hobbyists who're retired (like me) though.😉

I use another editor if I have to make titles quickly and have them animate. Notice I wrote "quickly". Nothing too fancy, but enough to enhance the video.

It amazes me how the "consumer" editors offer more options in titling than Vegas, and they do it simply. I do have Boris and NBFX TP titling plugins, but a lot of the time, "time" is my enemy so use something else..

As for Bluff... they've been around for many years. They should consider making it as an OFX plugin?

I've seen posts that have discussed resurrecting ProType Titler, making a better titler, adding additional options for titles, updating outdated titling... I'm just wondering what those of you are wanting to accomplish with words in your videos. I understand the need for a robust titler for something like this: But, that seems like something for Mocha Pro or AE, not an NLE.

So, I'm just curious if you all would post what some examples of what you are wanting regarding titling. I lean heavily towards simple titling and letting the video do the vast majority of the talking. So, what am I missing out on with the titler options that come with Vegas?

I can answer this, because I work with a lot of agencies.



In short, it's really Social Media. Text + video has always been such an attention grabber that when timed correctly, it just glues viewers to the screen. The issue with our current titler I would say is that it does not process fonts very well, this includes Non-English fonts. And companies LOOOOVE custom fonts. Also, for multi-text application, you need throw in a lot of video tracks. In premiere, for example, you just need grab the text tool and drag across the screen. In premiere, there are much simpler ways to highlight your text.

In VEGAS, you can theoretically pull off everything but the issue is time and workflow considerations as the gentleman above pointed out. Also, more advanced applications on text such as accurate Kerning is very desirable for typography artists.

Having said that, VEGAS EFFECTS IS an extremely competent tool for typography. But it requires a lot of patience to unpack its potential.

Current generations demands: "What buttons do I click?!" Rather then understand the amazing stuff they can do with basic functions.

Everyone is using a 2nd editor to create their titles. That's a problem. It is same with transitions. Most transitions that come with vegas are extremely dated looking and aren't useful. I have exported projects after editing to use better transitions

I agree with Reyfox, I only do simple template type titles, that's what I would want, not the @j.razz example which is a more complex and manual procedure and isn't a quick editable template like you see with transitions and Titles on other editors

 

See for examples: https://www.outerspace-software.com/blufftitler

They already invented the wheel!

BluffTitler integration would be fantastic! Although i'm also into just simple and clear titles - where BluffTitler might be a bit of an 'overkill' - it can also be used for motion graphics, running texts, etc... 

@janndk “A few years ago we tried to implement a Vegas Plugin, but the lack of support and interest from Sony/MAGIX killed the project.”

https://www.outerspace-software.com/community/12819/blufftitler-integrated-in-vegas-pro

 

@janndk “A few years ago we tried to implement a Vegas Plugin, but the lack of support and interest from Sony/MAGIX killed the project.”

https://www.outerspace-software.com/community/12819/blufftitler-integrated-in-vegas-pro

yes - a BluffTitler Vegas plugin would be great! As said before, BluffTitler is so much more than just a titler. I hope it can be done ...some day?

@j.razz

Hi,

In the video, the title is broken up on the church pews because the pews, the church and the church doors are not real - they are part of the animation. This is the type of thing that is done in something like BluffTitler. If the church had been real - with a camera travelling through or zooming, the titling effect would have been very difficult and time-consuming to do in any program that could animate text, including BluffTitler.

Some might be shocked to know PS or Affinity Pro may be their best title program and really brought to life by animating PSD layers and using various compositing and transition techniques. Frankly, I often find it more intuitive than the myriad of titlers our there that collapse under their own weight. Try some experimentation if you haven't already. It can be fun. For the mundane stuff just use Titler Pro.

It seems that, just like the community, the uses of text/titles is just as varied as we are. Again, I was just curious as to what I was missing and what could be gained by having a more robust titler in Vegas. After reading through the posts above, I am still of the opinion that I don't need anything more robust, but understand that some of you could benefit from more titling tools built in.

Thanks to all who have shared! I'll also say that if there are others who have a strong opinion on this, feel free to add it here as I'm sure the powers that be will take note of any convincing arguments made one way or another.

Thanks to all who have shared! I'll also say that if there are others who have a strong opinion on this, feel free to add it here as I'm sure the powers that be will take note of any convincing arguments made one way or another.

@j.razz - Please read @VEGASDerek's comments in this thread, https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-protype-titler-deserves-an-update--126089/?page=1 I believe he and Team-Vegas are convinced.