Vegas Pro "Protype Titler" deserves an update

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Reyfox wrote on 8/25/2021, 5:16 AM

Bluff would be nice if it were able to be integrated into Vegas..... or at least be an option to buy a Vegas plugin version.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 8/25/2021, 9:25 AM

Contracting with someone to do a titler is something we have been exploring. To this point, we have been unable to come to satisfactory terms with anyone to do the work and allow us to distribute it.

FocusOnVegas wrote on 8/25/2021, 9:29 AM

I posted my suggestion in the BluffTitler forum too:

https://www.outerspace-software.com/community/12819/blufftitler-integrated-in-vegas-pro

I got this answer:

A few years ago we tried to implement a Vegas Plugin, but the lack of support and interest from MAGIX killed the project.

Come on Vegas Team, you say things are different now!

Proof it and support others who can deliver title software users really want!

If you don't' want to support just one company (like you did with Newblue) and you don't have the resources in the short term to develop an advanced titler yourself, how about a (free) addition of scripting or a special API for title software so that third-party developers can (semi) integrate their title software with Vegas Pro?

It can be a win - win situation, but only if things have really changed within Magix / the Vegas development team (if it isn't marketing chat).

jetdv wrote on 8/25/2021, 9:48 AM

Titler Pro is simply an OFX effect/generated media (it's actually both). There's no reason Bluff could not also create an OFX plugin. As far as that goes, Titles and Text is simply an OFX generated media. The OFX environment is there for them to use if Bluff wants to do so. There's no "special API" needed to integrate with VEGAS today.

FocusOnVegas wrote on 8/25/2021, 11:10 AM

I like the idea of a simple mechanism that semi-integrates standalone titlers from different brands into Vegas Pro.

Such as the integration of Hitfilm:

  1. Right click on a (video) clip on the timeline in Vegas Pro and choose "Edit in Hitfilm".
    In the background the clip is rendered in Vegas Pro (or exported?).
    The standalone version of Hitfilm opens with the rendered clip from Vegas.
  2. Modify the clip as you like in Hitfilm.
  3. Close Hitfilm.
    In the background the modified clip is rendered in Hitfilm.
    The modified clip becomes the active (video) take on the timeline in Vegas Pro.
    The original clip is still available as a second (video) take of the clip.

Advantages of this mechanism:

  1. Simple.
  2. Users almost feel that Hitfilm is integrated into Vegas Pro.
  3. Developers do not need to maintain different versions (standalone and plug-in version).
  4. It is not necessary to really adapt existing (standalone) software to comply with OFX or other standards.
  5. Could potentially work for any standalone title software or even any other software.
  6. It seems to be a universal low cost solution if implemented in such a way that all the required configuration for software to integrate is done with a text file (with public documentation).
  7. The Vegas team already has experience with this kind of (Hitfilm) integration.

For title software there may be a need for 2 menu options ("Edit in <Name of Title software> with background" and "Edit in <Name of Title software> without background"). The length of the (empty) clip (event) on the Timeline can be the default length of the title. Let a few people work out this idea and something universal and practical could be the result.........

 

Amivideotek wrote on 8/25/2021, 12:39 PM

@VEGASDerek
Does the company that developed ProType Titler still exist? If so, can't they rewrite Protype Titler and improve it for Vegas Pro in another code that works better in Vegas Pro?
The software they had developed years ago is still one of the best text animators I know, a bit similar than in After Effects. In my opinion, a text animator should not necessarily animate 3D texts with cameras and lights in a 3D environment... For this there are other software for example Blender that was developed for this purpose and that will give the best results. These animations can be written into an image sequence with a transparent background and imported back into Vegas Pro.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 8/25/2021, 12:45 PM

ProType titler was not developed by another company. It was developed by a former employee of Sonic Foundry. It was hacked into place to work with VEGAS, after which we took a different direction in our plugin development. You can keep pestering us about this and you will continue to get the same response. ProType Titler will not be developed any more. End of story.

Amivideotek wrote on 8/25/2021, 12:49 PM

OK, end of story.

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