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GLADDEN wrote on 9/26/2009, 9:26 AM
Hi Bob,,,, Moire,,,, OK... Bob,,, remember . When I do a DVD from Sony PMB,, it look great,,,, super great.. The meida in the media bin look fine in the preview window.

As soon as I bring the meida into the timeline you see the problem right ojf on the preview window... When rendered it is just as bad..

Remember that I am having NO problem when done with the Lapto. The video looks just as good as when made with Sony PMB and the sound is righ on..

The Vegas program is Vegas Studio Platinum 9 .

GLADDEN
musicvid10 wrote on 9/26/2009, 9:32 AM
"the problem is Vegas Movie Platnium 9."

Oh. That's the $100 consumer version of the software. Since you posted in this forum, I think everyone had assumed you were using Vegas Professional. . .

Still, since you report different results on two machines (using the same software, right?), try setting your project properties to "Best" and "Blend" and render again.
Also, make certain your DVDA project properties are set correctly for the media you are bringing in.

BTW, there is a separate forum for Vegas Movie Studio; not many people here have direct experience with your version, and there are several differences. Although some of us cross-post on the VMS forum, we try to limit our responses to the things we know are consistent between the professional and consumer versions.

The differences in function and creative control (and $price) between Movie Studio and Vegas Pro are roughly the equivalent of Photoshop Elements vs. Photoshop CS4 Extended. I think I know which one you prefer to use in your photography work . . .

You should still be able to get good results using your version of the software, and I'm sure you've seen in a big way that people here are willing to try to help. It's just that the help you get in this forum may well be of the "apples and oranges" variety.

GLADDEN wrote on 9/26/2009, 1:57 PM
I did not see anthing othere that Vegas Pro and thus thought this is where it all is happening.. I have tried Best,,, interpolate,,, none and ever thing else I can see.. about 50 test now... I did the DVD on the laptop and finished a beautiful video all in 3 days.. I am going to take the work files make with Vegas on the PC and move it to the Laptop and make sure all my video and music file are where they should be an do it on the laptop..Do I need to know anthing about how to do this ,,,,, and can this be done? How does Adobe Pre compair to Vegas Professional. I was so impress with the quality of the DVD made with Sony PMB that I though I would try Vegas.Pluse I have always loved the Sony video camera.. The new Sony BlueRay camera does a fine fine job and makes beautiful just from PMB.. My Adobe Pre will not import the new Sony video files..

GLADDEN...
farss wrote on 9/26/2009, 2:52 PM
I explained exactly how to fix your problem.
Do you not have the Gaussian Blur FX in your version of Vegas??

It doesn't matter which software you use, FCP, PPro or Avid you will have exactly the same problem. In fact users of other applications seem to have more problems as Vegas is one of the few NLEs that has a Gaussian Blur FX that lets you control vertical and horizontal blur.

BTW I doubt the problem I'm seeing has anything to do with the de-interlace method.
a) It is not related to motion.
b) the video is correctly interlaced, checked it on a CRT.

Bob.
GLADDEN wrote on 9/26/2009, 3:31 PM
Hi Bod.. thanks again,, for you help..I am going to another test.. this time I will just take a short clip from PBM and we what happens.. Remember that PMB on this computer,, the PC. make a fine DVD that plays Fine on my TV crt and on the one in the bedroom... I think I have just have a bad install.. I want to unstall and restall.. ONLY,,, right now I have this wedding video up on vegas and ready to render to the fnished DVD for the Bride and Groom...and I do not want to lose all this work. I there a problem to moving the work file Vegas onto the laptop. so long as all of the meida files are in the same place and if not I would think I could tell Vegas where they are.. Can you tell me anthing that I need to know about moving the Vegas work files to the Laptop... You know I was think about getting Vegas Pro if this program worked out good,,,, Then Vegas support does not seem to care if I get this program to work or not.. I still have not heard from them.. I sent a e-mail last Sunday and got a e-mail that they got it ,,,,, then nothing.. It is the same e-mail I sent two days after I installed the program and the same video samples with the progrom you are seeing now..You guys on the Forum,,, thank you so much .....I worked with Adobe for years and there tech would never let me down like the Vegas techs...Not Happy.. So I will do some more test and let the forum know what happens,,,,,, Please tell what I need to know about moving the Vegas work files on the PC to the Laptop where Vegas works fine.. What really throws me is the fact that , On the PC,, I can make a beautiful video with Sony PMB... Same files shots with the brand new Sony BlueRay video camera...

GLADDEN..
farss wrote on 9/26/2009, 4:37 PM
All you need to do to move a project is copy the project file and the media.
Vegas will most likely complain that it cannot find the media however a dialogue box opens up that'll assist you to tell Vegas where it is.

All you need to do test any fix is render a few seconds of vision. Do not waste time rendering the whole project to discover it didn't work.

Do you have Skype, more than willing to call you but I'll be out for a few hours. I'm RobRoySyd in Australia. Much easier to work through your problems over the phone than typing lots of words in a forum.

Bob.
amendegw wrote on 9/26/2009, 5:03 PM
"I explained exactly how to fix your problem.

Bob,

You've given GLADDEN really good advice here. I'm not sure he understands how easy his fix is. At the risk of getting in the middle of your dialog, allow me to offer a few screen prints that might help.

First, Add a track FX (might want to add the blur event by event, but this is quick):



Next, select the Gaussean Blur:



Finally, tweak the settings:



Hope this helps!
...Jerry

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farss wrote on 9/26/2009, 7:53 PM
Thanks for that. A picture does save a thousand words and this entire thead PLUS the others illustrates that only too well.

This problem though is now compounded by us discovering that he's using VMS rather than Vegas so sending him a project file is of no help <sigh>.

Bob.

GLADDEN wrote on 9/26/2009, 9:39 PM
I have to say,,,, God Bless You All,,,,,. Thank You. As the song says: " I get along with a few frends of mine " And that includes all my new friends... Just think if we could all get together as one and in this world and learn from each other what it will take to keep our planet earth from just fading into a lifeless cold mass of rock. I do belive like most of us that all life any were in the univerce was created by God no matter what you wish to use. Chromosome are instruction and when placed end to end will reach the moon. Instructions will have an arthor. I do not belive all of our wonderus world we live in with the blue skys and great seas of blue water and fields of flowers as far as you can see. I do not belive all this incredable forms of life we have here on earth, I do not belive the life spirit of life and love just happen all by it self when a bolt of lighting hit some mud one night a trillion years ago and all this wounder called the living earth just fell together . No scientist to this very day can explan just what love and live and beautiy is.. I know like many of my new friends they and I cried when my Son and then my Daughter was born. Call God what you wish,,,, like a rose,,,they say,,,, " A Rose smells oh so sweet by anyother name". Good and bad comes in all colors shapes and sizes. It is time to start learning and working and dreaming together to find the way to stop our Beautiful World from dying. If we do not dream together today, now. What will we leave for our Children except tears that will dry up and fade away. I have tears in my own eyes this very monent..They are sad tears. I have good tears too like many of you do too. When My son was born and then my daughter was born I had tears of joy. When I see something beautiful and I am photographing it and I see it is something special that is happen before me I cry and I feel like our God is pouring champaige like a waterfall threw my body threw my very heart. Soon I will be producing a very special video for us all. Our world will turn around from the sad path it is on and once again the children will sing again about love and tall trees and flowers in the fields. They will again learn about respect and hornor and what true love is all about. I teach my son to give all you can when you do something for some one and not take all you can get. I teach my daughter that love is the only question and the only answer in this world that is importaint. All else will follow that light and grow into perfect beautiful.. Once again the fish will swim free and and the water will be blue with out the poison we dump into the sea.. Then our children will know what to teach there children and they too will cry tears of joy when there children are born. I wonder does our God cry too??? It is time for us all to " learn what our Heart already knows". We are all one in the light of love and always will be.

Well here I go again. Hope I did not talk you head off.. This is what I tried to say to the people when I was tring to save the Florida Keys and the Everglades so many years ago. They tell me the Keys are a heart break now and reflects much of what is going on in our world.

So,,,, This is what I am going to do. I must get this DVD for the bride and groom as soon as I can. Thus,,, I am going to move Vegas work files to the laptop and get there DVD done in to them and there family. I have completed the second part ,, disk 2 of the wedding and Great,,,, no probelms ,,,,, beautiful.. Then do the Disk 1 part 1 of there wedding. I can then go back to the PC and fix what ever is wrong. I know this computer is slow and a bit outdated, AMD 64 2800 . My Son is going to help me this Christmas to up date my PC. My laptop is an AMD 64x2 does a lot better that the PC. Then I can work on the DVD I have been dreaming about doing for so, so long... I would be honor for all of you,,, all of my new friends,,,, to help in producing this true and heart felt video about what most of the people of the world already know in there hearts, they just have not learned it yet.. GOD BLESS YOU ALL IN THE NAME OF LOVE.


Gladden
www.GladdenPhotographs.com
GLADDEN wrote on 9/27/2009, 9:08 PM
WOW,,,, WOW,,,,, I think I got it.. Have been running test all day.. Moved the Vegas work files, Part 1 of the wedding, from the PC where I have been having the problem to the laptop where I did the part 2 of the wedding that made a beautiful finshed DVD. I moved just the music and the Vegas work files to the Laptop. I did not move any video files that are in Sony PMB because I allready up loaded them directly from the Sony Camera to the Laptop.. Now I am sure the video will be beautiful because I just did part 2 of the wedding on the laptop and it is great. SO, I opened Vegas on the laptop and did a short render. It was just as bad as done on the PC..... What???? Ok,,, So, I did test after test and still everthing was just the same.. Everthing on part 2, the good video, is set just the same as part 1. SO, I just stoped and laied back for a while. When I got up with new thoughts in my mind I followed them. Even tho the match meida setting were reading the same on the PC as the Laptop, I reset it I found the master meida, open and applied and did another test reader... WOW, It was great,,, YES YES.. So I went to the laptop and reset the match meida setting, applied and did a short render... Now I was sure it was going to be great,,, is was just as bad as ever.. WHAT?? How can that be?? I wanted to render it out on the laptop because it was faster.. Run some more test and rendered some more.. NOW the laptop was rendering just as bad video as the PC WAS..Now the PC renders beautiful video and the laptop renders bad. Now that is just not logical.. So I laid back down again and let my mind quiet down again and just listened to reason.. When I got up I copyed the rendered file to my flash drive a opened the files back to the PC... WOW,,, WOWW,,, it was BEAUTIFUL.. The laptop is a Toshiba AMD 64x2 with a 17 inch screen.. The bricks in the background was morie, interfering, with the screen lines and it just looked like the same hairingbone I have be getting on the PC.. Did some more test to make sure all was right and now I am rendering Part 1 out on the Laptop... I will let you know how it come out. I belive it is right now..Thank you to all of you so very much for your help.. This forum is all new to me ,,,,,,,,,, I love it.. Wish we could all get together and go fishing.. I sure would like to see some of your websites. I am impressed with the way you think and your desire to help.. By the way; I was reading on the forum about using " Neat Video ". I use this same probram with my photographs, " Neat Image " . Love it. Some of my photographs I have up and some of the international airports that are 70 feet long are done with " Neat Image " and Adobe Photshop cs3 . I love to work 3D programs too.. Do you work with that and if so what program do you like.. I have some 3D photographs that will be presented soon. They are so special because they are full fidelity and you do not need any glasses and will show on TV too.. Knock my socks off one night when I was dreaming thigs up and will be in the New DVD I am working on that I talked about in the above post.. Any one wanting to be apart of it all is wellcome. As you can see I do not wrte to good.

So, let you know when I have the fnished DVD tested on the CRT and in my hands..

Thank You to you all.
GLADDEN www.GladdenPhotographs.com
GLADDEN wrote on 9/29/2009, 1:05 PM
Did the fnished part 1 DVD in DVDA. Is a lot better that what it was before.. Still not as good as as part 2. I moved the Vegas files over to the laptop and ,, "see last post",, and rendered from there.. Played part 1 and part 2 on the tv and Part 1 Still has morie,,, hairingbone,,.. in the video.. Part 2 is great.. Part 1 better,but; not great.. I can not see any thing different.. between the two settings???.. Will work on it some more tonight.. Sure looking for some Ideas and I will be reading all the help post I have gotton.. Thank You everone..

GLADDEN
dxdy wrote on 9/30/2009, 7:18 PM
Have you tried adding the clip with the bricks in the background to the project on the "good" computer to see how it renders? I wonder if there isn't a difference in codecs on the two computers, maybe an older version on one or the other?

Just for grins, I checked both samples through mediaInfo to see if there were any differences.

General
Complete name : D:\VegasTest2Sep1509.mpg
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 8.55 MiB
Duration : 11s 144ms
Overall bit rate : 6 435 Kbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Duration : 11s 144ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 180 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 9 500 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.597
Stream size : 8.21 MiB (96%)

General
Complete name : D:\VegasTestSep1509.mpg
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 8.74 MiB
Duration : 11s 144ms
Overall bit rate : 6 582 Kbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Duration : 11s 144ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 6 321 Kbps
Nominal bit rate : 9 500 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : NTSC
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Bottom Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.610
Stream size : 8.40 MiB (96%)

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GLADDEN wrote on 10/3/2009, 10:41 PM
Hello everone. I have found the answer,,,,, YES! I set back and reread everones information.. I checked everthing, for sure, and ever thing IS the same.. I did some of the things you said and it did look better,,, still not great, like the dvd done on the laptop.. You know when I would be on corse to a far away island in very bad weather,, some time 20 and even 30 foot seas. I was for sure doing EVERTHING right as right can be... I would check it and check it ever which way I could think of. Just like what I have been doing in making this DVD... SO, even tho I am sure I am right I was still not getting there to this beautiful little island I so wanted to reach... This is what I did. I did something different... Something no one has said because the right way is just the right way,,, there just is no other way,,,, right.. I am rendering now and am in the third day for rendering... I have done new test and YES,,, As soon as I get the fnished DVD , tested and proven to my eyes, I will tell you as I do not want to count my chickens before the hatch,, The artis never shows his work untill he is fnished.. They say I do good work,,,,, only because I do not give up the search to make it as beautuful as can be and keep in blance the fact that I could just have a bad boat.. Everthing right sitting on top of wrong makes it all wrong..... I just layed back and stoped fighting it so much and did what I was thing about 4 weeks ago.. I will post a new message Sunday Night..

GLADDEN... www.GladdenPhotographs.com . Please forgive my spelling,,, just missed my early school years.. Sorry..
GLADDEN wrote on 10/11/2009, 7:58 PM
OK,,, Thank You to all the help from people all over the world.. After doing everthing that everone has suggested and still getting the same results " DVD made on the PC is bad, the DVD made on the laptop is very good". I was sure I was doing everthing right. SO, from the PC I reinstalled everthing and restarted the new program reloaded all video from PMB and reloaded the music.. Champagne time,,,,,,, yes, yes.. Beautiful Finished DVD. Beautiful Quality. Plus, all that I have learned new I applied to remastering the new DVD and did a better job of editing too.. SO,,, if you are SURE you are doing everthing right then step back and START OVER, fresh and new.. Then do it right again. Just what was wrong? Who cares, and why look back. The DVD is Super Fine and I am ready to make a DVD of my creative work I shoot just because I liked what I see. You will see some of the things I like to shoot on my website if you would like too. www.GladdenPhotographs.com

I like this VEGAS and DVDA program and look forward to seeing what else Sony has to offer. Sure do love the Sony BlueRay video camera too. I sure do look forward to producing some super beautiful DVDs for us all to enjoy.

Thank You Everone.
GLADDEN