Well. Can't say I disagree with "act of solidarity".  I suppose I paid $249 for just that. Vegas has been very very very good to me as a prosumer-type of user .. so I guess I want to see it continue to develop.  If the upgrade to V15 is $249 without major improvement in preview, render and stability -- well I'll cross that bridge later .. meanwhile I'm grateful Vegas is not completely dead yet but I fully understand the real pros out there who are disappointed and moving on.

Perhaps it comes down to what each person thinks is valuable. I already have Mecalli Pro and the Titler. Also, VP13 works well enough for me not to need the bug fixes in VP14. It's also compatible with all my other plugins. If I want to convert to HEVC then I can render uncompressed and then convert using GPU accelerated software. For the animated shorts that I make, it's quicker to render uncompressed and convert to other codecs from that file rather than render the Vegas project each time to a different codec. When Vegas has fully working GPU acceleration then I might review that process.

I am guessing that Magix has extended their upgrade deadline because there are quite a number of users (myself included) who find VP14 to be a rather lackluster release for the amount they are charging, and are therefore not upgrading.

Peter

They are clearly hoping that the US election combination of alcohol + credit card will somehow make this look like a good deal.  If it looks like nuclear armageddon might occur before my credit card bill is due, I might consider it too.

they can extend it indefinitely for all i care - there's no way i'm going to pay for a bug fix that introduces worse bugs.

i'll look at 15, but i don't like the way magix has gone about handling ANYTHING so far...

i totally agree ushere.

ushere wrote on 10/30/2016, 03:28 AM

they can extend it indefinitely for all i care - there's no way i'm going to pay for a bug fix that introduces worse bugs.

I think that the introduction of even worse bugs will be fixed. We have seen a first bug fix by now, and Gary has announced another more complete bug fix for the future.

i'll look at 15, but i don't like the way magix has gone about handling ANYTHING so far...

It is a free world what means that it is up to everybody to decide if he or she purchases or not. In other words: that is up to you.

There are just two other points that I state here:

- nobody knows today if there will be an upgrade from older versions to VP15 or what will be the price

- do not foreget that it was SCS who has stoped the development 2 years ago. So I appreciate that Magix is committed to the further development of Vegas. The other option would be to let Vegas die, and switch to another NLE. Up to everybody to decide what he wants.

the reason i'm still here and posting is i've been using vegas since ver 4 and making a living with it since 5. in that time i had cause to use / work with nearly every other pro nle and kept returning to vegas, though 8.1 did have me wondering what was going to happen...

anyway, though i've more or less moved to resolve i'm still using 13 for rough cutting and audio - there's nothing as fast (or reliable if a. using vegas friendly formats, b. not pushing the envelope with fx, etc.,), and would happily have go with 14 if not for the insulting pricing*, and reading about the NEW bugs it introduced. as i wrote, i WILL look at 15, but it will need to offer some major fixes, eg. gpu.

*i've read gary's post:

I realize that the wording of the post we published at the time of the earlier promotional offer has caused much of this frustration and we're all sorry for that. We seriously value each and every one of you as customers—old as well as new. While there will likely be future promotional pricing, we intend to build loyalty based on quality and value, not on deep discount pricing that cannot possibly sustain a business. I truly hope you will stay with us.

whilst i appreciate magix's aim to build a sustainable business model for vegas, judging by the various posts regarding their supposed 'discount' pricing, etc. they seem to have done the exact opposite. you simply can't ignore seasoned, long term clients and hope they'll jump on board out of loyalty alone. many of these people have been buying new versions regularly for well over a decade, and whilst the upgrade price for those of us using vegas professionally (ie. commercially) hasn't ever proved a stumbling block, it was a gesture we appreciated coming from a company who respected our business and who obviously looked forward to our continued patronage. from what i gather magix seems geared to dire straits We gotta move these refrigerators
We gotta move these color TV's  to a transient customer base who, i have no doubt will more than likely first shop on pirate sites.

i will continue to follow developments with interest. i would be very sad to see vegas disappear, but i sort of felt that way over low band, high band, beta, betasp, etc. etc., until i realized that the change was certainly for the better ;-)

'nobody knows today if there will be an upgrade from older versions to VP15 or what will be the price'

If feels like they are letting us know early on, that upgrading from older versions, e.g. 13 to 15, will not be offered.....

If feels like they are letting us know early on, that upgrading from older versions, e.g. 13 to 15, will not be offered.....

How so? Wolfgang doesn't work for Magix. In his case "M" stands for moderator.

What is unclear with the wording "nobody knows?"  It simply means that nobody knows. Not more and not less. And there are other NLEs in the market where it is not possible to jump from version 4 to version 7 with reduced upgrade prices. While that was possible with SCS in the past, we do not know if that will be possible with Magix in the future. 

And all the talking about "do not accept our business" or "patronage": has SCS really respected your business by discontinuing the development of Vegas 2 years ago? Where was their patronage or the respectfull treatment of needs of customers - for example for modern GPU support? 

So this are emotional points that does not fit into a competitive business world. I need no patronage. I give no patronage.  What I need is an ongoing development, examples: I need a professional preview with videocards, I need a support for modern GPUs and modern codecs - and in future I need support for HDR, better support for x-log, 10bit HEVC and codecs like ProRes. And for that I have to pay, since there is no free lunch in real live.

That is a business like a lot of other businesses, and not an emotional decision only. So the important prove who supports really the community will not be the pricing, but what features and bug fixes we will see in the future. Simply because that adds value. 

Sony sold Vegas to Magix so at least they passed it on rather than dropping it completely. As for upgrades from v13 to v15 what difference does it make when Magix offered the full version of v13 with an upgrade to v14 thrown in for $199? If we buy the v14 upgrade for $249 now and then Magix offers a v14 + v15 deal for $199 then, as the saying goes, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me!

Looking beyond upgrade prices, even if I bought Vegas Pro 14, I still cannot do a complete project with it. All of my projects are multi-camera so I would need to start with Vegas Pro 13 in order to use Plural Eyes to sync my camera videos along with my Zoom H6 audios. This cannot be done without excessive time consuming efforts in Vegas Pro 14.

Once the project is synchronized in Vegas Pro 13, I would need to load it into Vegas Pro 14 to do more editing. The only new feature of Vegas Pro 14 that I might need is the upscale (or whatever it is called) of 2k to 4k so my camera videos match.

And then, because people I make videos for still want the old DVD's, I will need to use an intermediate file to go back to Vegas Pro 13 to finish it. I was hoping that Vegas Pro 14 could resize to 720x480 widescreen without those goofy lines in the video that earlier versions have; apparently not.

As-is, Vegas Pro 14 itself is a serious downgrade for my needs. And if I do not need the new features, it is dead weight. So I could scrape-up the money for it and what will I get? I will get much less than what I now have with Vegas Pro 13. That does not make any sense.

The ONLY reason I would buy Vegas Pro 14 is to continue my support for it. Because Vegas Pro 14 is such a serious downgrade, I just cannot see my investing in it at this time.

Note: My free trial has expired and I can no longer use Vegas Pro 14 to do anymore tests. So maybe Vegas Pro 14 really has something I need that I have overlooked? I guess I will not know now. Maybe Magix could provide a special three month trial so I can take a serious look at Vegas Pro 14?

Whatever the case, I NEED true incentives to buy Vegas Pro 14 and so far, it is just not there yet for me.

As-is, Vegas Pro 14 itself is a serious downgrade [...] That does not make any sense.

+1.  What part of this does MAGIX not understand?  Why so many arguments of "tough, get over it, free choice, yada, yada, yada" from mods?  This is the loyal, established user base that you are driving away!

It's not that Magix, the Moderators, or your fellow forum users don't understand. It's that we don't all agree with you (completely or partially) and so there is nothing to be done.  You are welcome to your opinion, but if you think that repeating it over and over and over ad nauseum is going to get you anywhere, you are in for a serious disappointment.   

Personally, I am really benefitting from Vegas 14 improvements, and I am not having any crashes.  I paid Videoguys $170.95 USD to upgrade (EDIT version)  and I completely satisfied with the value for money.

Putting price issues aside, those who claim VP14 to be a downgrade, please be specific about why exactly you feel that is so. We already know that:

1. AC-3 Pro has gone
2. Many dislike the monochrome icons
3. Some large HDV/AVCHD files won't open
4. Some large projects open slowly and rendering can be slow
5. There are 2 new minor bugs with project properties and sharpening
6. There are NewBlueFX Titler issues
7. Magic Bullet Looks doesn't work
8. Timeline Tools doesn't work

There is a workaround for #1 (if you had a previous version of VP + DVDA), and we can hope/expect #3, #4 and #5 to be fixed soon. But really, what other significant negatives are there about VP14 as a product?

On the positive side, VP14 has added about 10 new features that can be called "significant", some of which are very important to some users, and 30 bugs have been fixed, 7 of which had affected me directly in VP13.

[ Edit: Removed Plural Eyes as there is now a VP14-compatible version ]

#3. PluralEyes has been updated and now can work with VP14:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/red-giant-pluraeyes-4-1-2-supports-vegas-14-now--104358/#ca644959

(I stil owned PluralEyes previous version - so need to consider upgrading it!)

Although this link is from magix.com and not vegascreativesoftware.com, it indicates that the landscape might change significantly in a couple of weeks. Or it might not. Magix as a company certainly participate in Black Friday/Cyber Monday.

http://www.magix.com/us/sale/

Set you're too fast man.

I rest my case ....

Don't forget the cost of upgrading/replacing 3rd-party products that no longer work due to the breaking changes in scripting.

Well let’s see, $249.00 for Vegas Pro 14, last I remember it is approx $30.00 to upgrade Vegasaur and $99.00 to upgrade to the latest version of Plural Eyes for me and assuming I qualify for the upgrade. The site makes it difficult to know if I qualify or not.  All of that for a grand total of approximately $378.00 to get Vegas Pro 14 almost working as well as Sony Vegas Pro 13.

That is what I call a downgrade!

I am much better off saving my money for other important things.

Well let’s see, $249.00 for Vegas Pro 14, last I remember it is approx $30.00 to upgrade Vegasaur and $99.00 to upgrade to the latest version of Plural Eyes for me and assuming I qualify for the upgrade. The site makes it difficult to know if I qualify or not.  All of that for a grand total of approximately $378.00 to get Vegas Pro 14 almost working as well as Sony Vegas Pro 13.

That is what I call a downgrade!

Maybe you should add also other plugins that may not work in the future with another new version, scripts where mentioned here for example. So to come up with an even higher figure is not hard I think. ;)

More serious: new versions has taken in the past always costs for new plugins. That is nothing specific to Vegas, I have seen that with other NLEs like Edius too. So Vidmus, please be more specific as it was requested by Nick. To write the same moaining again and again becomes borring. Maybe moaning no 1008 as mentioned by Kinevermark recently.