Upgraded PC & now Vegas won't start

Adam L. wrote on 1/12/2016, 7:05 PM
Just upgraded my motherboard\CPU and RAM, now Vegas Pro 12.0 (64-bit) won't start. I usually start it w/administrator privileges (it acts like Quicktime isn't installed if I don't). Trying with or without admin it does nothing. It's not listed in task manager or anything. Production Assistant starts just fine, and no other software is misbehaving. I double checked and the folder with all the files is still there. Not sure what to do at this point. Anyone have any ideas?

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john_dennis wrote on 1/12/2016, 7:34 PM
Have you reinstalled Vegas Pro? Motherboard, CPU and RAM amounts to a new system to some (all) software license schemes.

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Adam L. wrote on 1/12/2016, 8:12 PM
No, I figured it would be smart enough to ask to re-enter the license key. Why in the world would I need to reinstall the whole thing just because of upgraded hardware? 0.o
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/12/2016, 8:48 PM
You might be surprised.

+1 for reinstall.
Kit wrote on 1/13/2016, 5:16 PM
I'm curious, how did you deal with the system. Did you use an imagining system and if so what? I agree with other posters that a fresh install of Vegas is the logical try.
astar wrote on 1/13/2016, 5:31 PM
So you upgraded your MB,CPU, RAM, and then booted from an existing install of Windows? Did you go into Device Manager and remove all the old hardware, and make sure all the new device drivers are the latest?

I would have just reinstalled Windows, and then Vegas when doing an upgrade that major.

Trying the Control+Shift+Click start Vegas might reset it to start again. Vegas might be dumping on an old hardware that no longer exists.
Adam L. wrote on 1/13/2016, 8:55 PM
Nope, no imaging system/software. Just pulled the old mobo\cpu\ram out, slapped the new stuff in and powered up. Windows has been able to do these kinds of hardware upgrades without choking and dying since like Windows 7 (at the very least.)
Adam L. wrote on 1/13/2016, 9:14 PM
"So you upgraded your MB,CPU, RAM, and then booted from an existing install of Windows?"
Correct.

"Did you go into Device Manager and remove all the old hardware, and make sure all the new device drivers are the latest?"
There's no old hardware in there, and yeah - went to Asus' site and made sure the latest drivers were all installed.

"Trying the Control+Shift+Click start Vegas might reset it to start again. Vegas might be dumping on an old hardware that no longer exists."
Gave it a shot, the dialog box asking if you really want to do this popped up, I clicked OK, then nothing happened. Tried to open once more, and Vegas still refuses to launch. :(

Guess I'll have to reinstall. So silly to have to do this.
wwaag wrote on 1/13/2016, 9:54 PM
Guess I'll have to reinstall. So silly to have to do this.

Why the reluctance? It only takes a couple of minutes for a clean install, pretty much the same as if you install the latest release.

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rstrong wrote on 1/13/2016, 10:35 PM
I doubt that your system would operate 100% unless you reload windows. Also, didn't Windows ask to re-activate with so many hardware changes, or it would shut down in a few days?

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 1/14/2016, 1:27 AM
What in the world is so silly to simply re-install Sony Vegas after
a motherboard and ram switch out?
I have been following your post from the start and despite the obvious
thing to do and the recommendations of many here, i still cant believe you
haven't reinstalled Vegas as yet.... What's the big deal?
That is the solution!
John222 wrote on 1/14/2016, 10:54 AM
You definitely need to re-install windows and then install Vegas. With that many hardware changes, it's never going to run right with a Windows re-install. There are drivers specific to the chip sets on the MB and the CPU.
diverG wrote on 1/14/2016, 12:29 PM
This might just work for you

This is rather similar to applying an old C: drive in a new machine.

Remove the C drive from old PC and inserted it into new PC. Effectively you have just done this.

Boot into to BIOS and made sure the C is seen as first boot device and then save and exit and start PC (it will ask you to reboot after first start)

Then you need to go in control panel and uninstall the Intel Management Interface and reboot

Then install all drivers from the new system mobo CD (installation will fail if the Intel Management Interface is not removed prior)

Best of luck G

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Adam L. wrote on 1/15/2016, 8:58 AM
"Why the reluctance?"
Because I have a lot of third-party plugins that will also have to be reinstalled, and then I have to go digging for all the registration numbers for those, etc. It's a pain.
Adam L. wrote on 1/15/2016, 8:59 AM
"I doubt that your system would operate 100% unless you reload windows."
Well, it does. Windows has been able to handle this sort of upgrade for over a decade now.

"didn't Windows ask to re-activate with so many hardware changes"
Yes, but I had the number handy so it wasn't a big deal. Certainly better than a clean install of Windows.
Adam L. wrote on 1/15/2016, 9:03 AM
"What in the world is so silly to simply re-install Sony Vegas after
a motherboard and ram switch out?
I have been following your post from the start and despite the obvious
thing to do and the recommendations of many here, i still cant believe you
haven't reinstalled Vegas as yet.... What's the big deal?"

As I said to the other person - I have a lot of 3rd party plugins that I have to hunt down registration numbers for. And the big deal is I shouldn't have to re-install Vegas. If I can run my entire system without a hitch after swapping out a motherboard and CPU, there's no excuse besides lazy programming from Sony as to why Vegas shouldn't work just fine. If they depend on hardware configurations and that config changes, then simply run whatever step they do when Vegas is first installed to accommodate for it.
Adam L. wrote on 1/15/2016, 9:04 AM
"You definitely need to re-install windows and then install Vegas. With that many hardware changes, it's never going to run right with a Windows re-install. There are drivers specific to the chip sets on the MB and the CPU."
No, I do not need to re-install Windows. If Vegas will refuse to run correctly after I re-install Vegas, then I will simply no longer use Vegas. That is absurd.
Adam L. wrote on 1/15/2016, 9:16 AM
"This might just work for you"
There's no need to do any of that anymore. When there's a huge change like swapping out the motherboard, Windows detects the change, renames the old Windows folder, copies over all the user-specific data (registration entries, program dependencies, etc.) to a new Windows folder and then installs the appropriate in-the-box drivers and reboots. When the system comes back up you install the latest drivers from the manufacturer and you're good to go.

Vegas is literally the only program on my machine that doesn't work, and I have everything from 3D-rendering software, to games, Adobe products, etc. Just another example of Sony's shoddy programming. The only reason I even stick with this thing is because I'm familiar with how to work in its environment, but things like this really push me towards using something the industry actually supports.
wwaag wrote on 1/15/2016, 10:47 AM
@AdamL

Why the relucationce? Because I have a lot of third-party plugins that will also have to be reinstalled, and then I have to go digging for all the registration numbers for those, etc. It's a pain.

Just a suggestion. In the future, create a text file for all of your registration codes and keep it up to date, much like a password manager. It will be a real time saver.. By the way, you won't know whether the plug-ins need re-installation until Vegas is working. I just swapped out my system drive the other day, and the only thing that needed re-activation was a white-balance plug-in.

If Vegas will refuse to run correctly after I re-install Vegas, then I will simply no longer use Vegas.

Then don't. Take your marbles and go home. I find it somewhat amusing that you've taken more time answering posts than it would have taken to simply do a re-install. If you're not happy afterward, do a system restore or simply delete Vegas altogether and move on as you've indicated. Happy editing.

wwaag

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 1/15/2016, 4:33 PM
If you re-install Vegas you dont have to re-install any of its plugins, they will be
right back in Vegas after the re-installation..But you are just reaching for every excuse.

Stop wasting everyones time here, because your constant back and forth and
justifying every advise and assistance you are given with excuses and complaints
is going nowhere fast.... So as you put it, go and use something the industry actually
supports instead!

Kit wrote on 1/15/2016, 6:23 PM
Interesting. So is the old Windows folder required to be kept? Sounds like by not using a disc image you are increasing the space used by the system. Or are you suggesting that "bare metal restore" and the like are just snake oil and not required? Personally, if I got a new Motherboard and CPU I would use it as an opportunity to completely rebuild by system, but perhaps that is an old-fashioned approach.
Chienworks wrote on 1/15/2016, 11:11 PM
A major system rebuild/upgrade is about the only time i do a Windows install. Most of my systems run 5 to 8 years, 24x7, on the original install. Things get pretty cluttered after a while. It's amazing how many programs i have installed on an old system that i never bother installing on the new one.
Adam L. wrote on 1/17/2016, 9:55 AM
"Interesting. So is the old Windows folder required to be kept?"
I did a quick search and there's a few gigs of stuff in there. I'm not sure why the system keeps it around. I highly doubt it's necessary.

"Personally, if I got a new Motherboard and CPU I would use it as an opportunity to completely rebuild by system"
I used to do that, but then it took literally days of reinstalling everything. Vegas isn't the only thing with plug-ins I use, there's Photoshop, Lightroom, then there's all the games which would take forever to download, and then the inevitable patching they'd insist on doing right after that as well. I have tons of Steam games. I'm sure you've also done something silly, like forget to export your favorited web sites, etc. It's just way more hassle than I'm willing to do deal with.

I can see someone doing what you're suggesting though, if they don't have a lot of programs installed or games installed. I have another PC where I do all my music stuff on, and do nothing else. Wiping that one clean I'd have no problem with. This one though? Ugh, no thanks! :)
Adam L. wrote on 1/17/2016, 9:57 AM
"If you re-install Vegas you dont have to re-install any of its plugins, they will be
right back in Vegas after the re-installation"
Eventually I'm going to have to do that anyway since it won't work right now. That would be nice if it works without re-registering plug-ins.
VidMus wrote on 1/17/2016, 3:53 PM
I noticed that looking at the 'About Vegas Pro' there is the 'Serial Number' AND there is the 'Machine ID' number.

Maybe Vegas fails to start because the Machine ID no longer works. Probably part of an anti-pirating thing.

I want to upgrade my system too, but I do not want to spend hours and hours getting things back to where they currently are. I have a lot of special presets for certain FX's that I really want to keep and I need a way to export and then import them.

And then there is the time spent re-installing certain things like Cineform and a host of other stuff. My mind is too old and farted to re-figure all of that mess out.

By the way, in the past I tried what the OP did and while it did work, it did become quite flaky over time and I had weird problems at times. So I finally broke down and did a clean install and everything worked a whole lot better.

I know that companies do not want dishonest people copying setups from one computer to other computers but there really needs to be a much easier way for the honest people to go from an old machine to a new one or upgrade their current machine without the excessive hassles. Excessive from an old farts point of view.

Note: My current system is running on band-aids and I really need to get it upgraded but I do not want to spend hours doing so. So I want to know what is the absolute easiest and still effective way of doing so.

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