User input needed (PluginPac FrameServer released!)

satish wrote on 4/16/2003, 2:30 PM
Download it from http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/frameserver.php (only 43 kb).

Tested in WinME and XP (should work for other win OSs as well)
Tested with VV3c and Vegas 4.0.
Tested with Windows Media player, VirtualDub, Tmpegenc, CCE, Avisynth, Procoder and a few other encoders/software.
Of course tested with Vegas->Vegas frameserving.

Instructions to use are available in the download webpage.

Thanks due to DDogg for his immense help in testing the plugin and pointing to sources of information related to frameserving.

- Satish

Comments

dreamlx wrote on 4/16/2003, 3:43 PM
congratulations

done some basic testing and your frameserver plugin seems to work without any problems. One test was frameserving to avisynth... doing some filtering there and going from there to cce basic. I will do some more testing tomorrow. Many thanks for this really good plugin. I waited for a long time for something like that as I want to lose as less quality as possible and this way I can avoid one more recompress.

bye,
David
john-beale wrote on 4/16/2003, 3:56 PM
I really look forward to trying this out, great work!

I just finished a 2-hour event video program in Vegas4. I had to render all 26 GB out to disk, then run through a VirtualDub filter generating another 26 GB (if I didn't do heavy temporal filtering, the 4900 kbps compression necessary for 2 hours on a DVD-5 would give blocky results). Only then did I run through TMPGEnc 2-pass VBR to make the DVD. I didn't use TMPGEnc's built-in temporal filter because of the 2-passes, it would have taken another day of encode time. It would be great to be able to avoid the intermediate file overhead. No audio on 2-pass encodes is only a minor issue for me, since I had to re-mux the MPEG2 with AC3 audio from V4 anyway.
roger_74 wrote on 4/16/2003, 4:14 PM
This is great! Thank you.

I have noticed a problem though. When enumerating RenderTemplates via scripting I get an exception after installing this plugin (object reference not set to an instance of an object), even though I can see that there is a template for the frameserver Renderer.

Try any of the batchrender scripts, like the one at http://www.ayizwe.net/VegasScripts/ to see what I mean.
Rain Mooder wrote on 4/16/2003, 4:30 PM
I'm frameserver to TMPG and this is totally, absolutely wonderful!
At one point I thought about trying to write a frameserving plugin
and I was able to get through most of SOFOs SDK for file plugins but
when it comes to making the sign post stuff I was utterly lost.

I salute you, Satish! Excellent tool. Now we can all use real MPEG2
encoders, etc.
taliesin wrote on 4/16/2003, 5:19 PM
Just tested it and it works great with TmpgEnc.

Thanks again, Satish!!!

Marco
NeilPorter wrote on 4/16/2003, 7:26 PM
Forgive my newbie-like ignorance, but what is a frameserver, what does it do, and why do we need to do it? Thanks (he says, sheepishly).

Regards,
Neil Porter
satish wrote on 4/16/2003, 9:50 PM
Please look at the download page listed above...
Josh15 wrote on 4/17/2003, 2:03 AM
Finally !!! I can encode with CCE, the best MPEG2 encoder, directly from the timeline. Thanks again, satish.
jopereira wrote on 4/17/2003, 3:34 AM
I recently made some MPEG2 encode tests with MainConcept and CCE.
To my suprise I liked the MC most! I was using 6-9Mbps to video so I really don't know if at lower bitrate CCE is best...

I particulary don't like CCE fading from/to black. Most encoders do a better job. Is that (CCE) version dependable? I really don't know as I only use v2.5.

Another situation MC was best (by far) was when image gets "pixalazed" (I don't recall the video FX name in Vegas). As the image blocks get bigger, MC gets a uniform colour to the block were CCE gets a "dirty" block.
The curious part is that MC@6Mbps is better than CCE@9Mbps!!

Perhaps in other small details CCE gets the best of it, but to be honest I did found any. I was using 2-pass CCE encoding.

Satish,
one question about Adapter Plugin: I tried to use VHS filter (http://flaxen.dynip.com/vdf/) and it seems that the filter doesn't work as it should, particulary in temporal filter part. I did use the VHS filter in VirtualDub directly and it worked great. In Vegas it seems that is does nothing; also the time it takes to filter in Vegas is not consistent with the time the filter takes in VirtualDub (many times faster in Vegas). Should it be a problem related with multiple pass solicitations to Vegas?

Just like many others, I think both plugins are a great addition to Vegas potentialities.

TIA,
JP
Vince wrote on 4/17/2003, 7:39 AM
To those frameserving to Tmpgenc,
what settings are you using that you feel improves on the built in Vegas encoder?

Josh15 wrote on 4/17/2003, 9:04 AM
I have done many testings myself, and settled for CCE.
I use the default settings, and play only with the Min/Max/Average bitrates. I also use 3 passes. The resulting MPEG file is far smaller than any other encoder with the same settings, and I get better sharpness and detail. I also find it gives the best results when dealing with high motion scenes.
DDogg wrote on 4/17/2003, 2:41 PM
Point being is that the DebugMode Frameserving allows USER choice of whatever encoder THE USER desires. Now we ALL get to use what WE think is best for us and not be limited to an internal encoder, no matter how good it is (and it is good):-).

BTW, when you speak of CCE it is better to reference the version number. The newer ones like 2.66.01.07 and 2.67.09 seem to do a better job with interlaced source than the old tried and true cce 2.50. ProCorder is still my personal choice for interlaced source but then that IS off topic to this thread, right? :_)
rstein wrote on 4/18/2003, 12:58 AM
Satish,
Does your plugin allow for VV to read "fake" .mv2 files from other applications to import into VV?

Thanks,
Bob.
DDogg wrote on 4/18/2003, 8:37 AM
"Does your plugin allow for VV to read "fake" .mv2 files from other applications to import into VV?"

To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing. Could you be more specific about what "other applications" you are speaking of? Then Satish or I might be able to answer your question.
manuh wrote on 4/19/2003, 9:07 PM
Dear Satish fantastic your job, thanks a lot for your generosity, namaste and lot of blessings for your soul.
erick from brazil
Zulqar-Cheema wrote on 4/20/2003, 9:29 AM
Used it into DA and all seems well, if you place the programs well, you can see the frames on V4 as it renders.
n5zq wrote on 4/21/2003, 6:44 PM
I have the exact same problem. Unfortunately this prevents me from using your plugin. Do you have any plans to correct this problem?
satish wrote on 4/21/2003, 7:29 PM
Unfortunately it does not happen in my machine, so i am unable to fix it. I will be doing an updated release of the frameserver soon, please check with that.

Thanks
disastinator wrote on 4/21/2003, 8:42 PM
Some basic info on frameserving:
http://www.lukesvideo.com/frameserving.html
rstein wrote on 4/22/2003, 1:39 AM
Sorry for not being clear - if there were a program that could take an existing .VOB and quickly render a .m2v file from that .VOB, would the plugin permit Vegas to read it into the timeline?

Specifically, there are times when I'd like to take a clip from a DVD movie (yes, I know the legal implications, but this is for personal use and doing fun things with my kids and superimposing them into scenes and such. Currently, I can load the .VOB into VV4 but of course there's no audio and Vegas is generally not happy with this method. Rather, there's a program (DVD2AVI?) that will create a virtual .m2v file which can be read by programs that can handle the frameserved video from the source program.

I hope I'm making myself clear this time.

Thanks,
Bob.
DDogg wrote on 4/22/2003, 7:03 AM
rstein, ah, I see. You mean a D2v not a M2v.

Yes, this is easily done with other software. Satish's work is an "outbound" frameserver and would have nothing to do with this process you are wanting and is way off-topic in this thread. Start another thread and I can help you.

FuTz wrote on 4/22/2003, 7:25 AM
DDogg: could I use this app to export a clip as a series of frames in Photoshop? I'm not sure about what frameserving allows me to do...
DDogg wrote on 4/22/2003, 7:36 AM
Dunno really. I would think that would be more of a Vegas function to export a series of frames in a format that Photoshop would accept. Maybe start a new thread on the topic as the subject is off topic here I think? SOmebody with more experience in that area might be able to better help you. When I get some time I will look around and see if I can come up to speed on the subject as it sounds interesting. In the new thread maybe give some more background on what you are trying to do.
FuTz wrote on 4/22/2003, 8:25 AM
Oh, this has been discussed before since a few of us would like to have a rotoscopy application. The problem: the clips have got be FLM extensions to be opened in Photoshop. The only way so far is to use Premiere, which we'd like to dump...
Thanks anyway!