Using Audio Editor: "Open as Copy" or just "Open"

Grazie wrote on 10/6/2021, 2:49 AM

I've been meaning to ask this for, like ever! What's the difference?:

There's gotta be a fundamental reason why this option exists - yes?

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Dexcon wrote on 10/6/2021, 3:32 AM

The difference is that one method is destructive editing and the other is non-destructive.

If you select 'Open Copy in Audio Editor', a copy of that audio event is created (and added to the folder containing the original audio event, it's name appended to show that it's a copy), and that copy audio event replaces the original on Vegas Pro's timeline. Any editing you do in the audio editor therefore only affects the 'copy' - and the original audio event is retained in the project folder if you want to go back to the original at a later time.

If 'Open in Audio Editor' is selected, then all the edits made in the audio editor affect the original audio event on Vegas Pro's timeline. This is effectively a destructive editing approach unless the audio editor has the ability to save all the editing as a project file like in RX. Also, destructive editing with the 'Open in Audio Editor' option can be avoided if in the audio editor, saving the edit as 'Save As' is chosen and a newly named audio event is manually created (i.e. the save is not made back to the audio event on Vegas Pro's timeline). But that will then that will mean that the newly created edited audio event will need to be swapped manually in VP.

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Grazie wrote on 10/6/2021, 3:53 AM

@Dexcon - Thanks for the speedy response! O..K… And yes this is me in iZoRX. Sooo…. As a “COPY” I get a reassuring TAKE1 back in VP. If I just “OPEN” I wouldn’t get a “reassuring” TAKE1 back in VP?

Dexcon wrote on 10/6/2021, 4:00 AM

@Grazie ...

As a “COPY” I get a reassuring TAKE1 back in VP. If I just “OPEN” I wouldn’t get a “reassuring” TAKE1 back in VP?

Yes, that's exactly right.

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Grazie wrote on 10/6/2021, 4:24 AM

So, no TAKE1. Under what circumstances, I’m sure there must be 😉, why would I NOT want a TAKE1 or TAKE2 …. ?

walter-i. wrote on 10/6/2021, 4:41 AM

Since you are using HOS, please also read this:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/open-copy-in-sound-forge-gives-2-different-problems--128997/#ca802070

Dexcon wrote on 10/6/2021, 4:48 AM

Besides personal choice, I can't think of a reason why the original audio track would not want to be kept "just in case". But I suppose that we all keep a backup of media on another drive anyway for that "just in case" moment.

 

I must admit that I use a rather convoluted process with this because mostly I go to the OPEN option to go to Sound Forge Pro and then via its Tools menu selection to go to SpectraLayers Pro. The obvious question is why not use SpectraLayers Pro as the preferred audio editor. The reason is that when SLP is selected as the preferred audio editor, the entire audio event opens in SLP when I only want to deal with a limited length of that audio event. Whereas when Sound Forge Pro is selected as the preferred audio editor, the entire length of the audio event also opens, but the section of that event as is edited on VP's timeline is highlighted in SFP. That highlighted section is the only section that opens in SpectraLayers Pro when SLP is accessed via SFP. After editing in SLP, the edit is saved from SLP with the appended name created by SLP and saved to its own folder. In VP, the audio events have to be manually swapped - and because I exit Sound Forge Pro without saving, the original audio event remains unaltered.

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Grazie wrote on 10/6/2021, 5:31 AM

@walter-i. - Yes! I’ve only used HOS As Take for Video. You’ve now given me an alternative. Thank you 🙏.

@Dexcon - Well, I’m glad I started this thread, I’ve learnt loads! Thanks 🙏

This’ll be my TAKE-away.

Dexcon wrote on 10/6/2021, 6:37 AM

This’ll be my TAKE-away.

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D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

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wwaag wrote on 10/6/2021, 9:29 AM

@Grazie

Since you use the Open Photo Editor tool in HOS, try the Open Audio Editor tool as suggested by @walter-i. which works the same way. The take is added "after" editing--not before--which has always been a perennial problem with Vegas. Plus it avoids having to delete a take if you decide that you don't want the changes.

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Grazie wrote on 10/6/2021, 10:57 AM

@GraziePlus it avoids having to delete a take if you decide that you don't want the changes.

@wwaag - Now THAT I like! 👍🏼

Grazie wrote on 10/7/2021, 7:56 AM

Well, this is a BUST?!? I can't remove my Preferred Audio Editor to ALLOW HOS to use it instead.

Solutions, please? Otherwise, I'm back to using the VegasPro Option 😡