Yep, nothing like trying to justify a $1600 PP price tag on stuff by having their people come here and post phantom "whines" ... good catch!

And yes it happens a *lot*, just like hotel employees going to sites and posting fake positive reviews, or book authors on amazon...

Well we're happy to get a new titler for a paltry $135, that alone makes this a wonderful deal.

-k

"Adobe is present." - lol.

Getting dark and dank conspiracy-ational, are we now?

Then on the other hand, I've only been here for a few months over a year, so I don't know what goes on in them thar under-lit corners of this forum.

But I thought that one cannot join this forum without a registered Sony product.

Which doesn't mean there isn't some naughty nefarious-ness going on, such as some disgruntled ex-Vegas users coming back to act like some of the punks do on Craigslist :)

As for me, I'll engage in constructive criticism and wish-listing once I have something fairly rational to say.

For now, upgrading soon from V-6 for under $150 = nyet whining here.
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Well - I am "relatively new" to this forum (even though some of you guys know me well from other boards), but I am not complaining without a reason. I've been a happty V7 user - also because it was one of the very few applications that could use full power of my QX6700 CPU. It was also very, very stable compared to other NLE's. Now with V8, I'm very enthusiastic about a couple of obvious advancements (like the new titler or smart HDV compression), but I have mixed feelings on what others sound so enthusiastic about: the 32bit floating point video. OK - I can see the difference in terms of less color banding and greater latitude, but the price I'm paying for this in terms of playback performance drop seems unproportional! I mean, if I'm really to take advantage of the 32bit floater, I need to preview my video in as close to a perfect way as possible, otherwise how can I be certain of the final output? And even though my system is really fast, when I set the Preview Quality to anything higher than "Preview (Auto)", the fps drops dramatically! In v7, I used the "Best (Full)" setting and watched HDV in its full glory on external monitor (as long as only simple edits were done to the clip); now it's impossible.

So why you are surprised that the newcomers are complaining, I must admit I'm surprised there is so few comments on this dramatic performance drop with the 32bit f.p. video. I hope it's a matter of the new code not being optimized yet, and will be improved soon. What do you think?

I'm very pleased with it, the only grievance I've been able to come up with so far is the 32bit color shift.

Dave

Sony gave away free copies of V7 with their XDCAMs, maybe that's where they came from. Might also explain why their expectations are so high.

Funny thing is, probably one of the most significant upgrades in V8 is in the XDCAM area and yet not a single comment from the usual suspects about it here.

Bob.

No, I'm not a conspiracy theorist; I was just being silly, and I've been consistently silly since I joined here in the summer of 1897.

lol

Darn...you're old!

Wow, Jonathan. That like, back in the wild west days of the internet. I only started with Vegas 2.

And on your comment of Adobe sending people in to these forums. I was just thinking wouldn't it be funny if they actually used the software for a couple of real-world projects.

Cause we all know what happens to people who try Vegas.

Sorry I didn't introduce myself before Jay. I use Vegas, like you. I enjoy having the best software at the best possible price, like you. I need an efficient software without bugs and smooth integration of titling and compositing, like you. And I need a software upgrade that doesn't fall short of third party titles I've already purchased in the last year to make up for the short commings. VP8 isn't running faster or smoother compared to V7. 32-bit does look better, but getting the improvement to transfer to MPEG-2 for distribution is questionable. I see very little difference between the 8-bit and 32-bit final output through DVDA 4.5. Maybe I'll see a bigger difference in the menu free Blu Ray I can burn in Vegas.
So yes I'm disappointed. I like Vegas for the ease and simplicity. I don't feel bad that I have expectations from both a wishlist and what was on the features listing.
It's funny how everyone wants more Vegas users so that we have more 3rd party plug-ins and support in the workplace, but when people are disappointed in the Pro"hype" Titler that doesn't match whats on most peoples desktop right now, and multicam could still learn a thing or two from Ultimate S or Excalibur then sure people are going to voice dismay.
Sorry I rained on your party Jay. I'm sure without input from the little shop with five stations that Vegas would just magically improve. Ssssshhhh. Vegas programmers need to rest until the next release.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that those who complaining about Vegas Pro 8 are relatively new here? I don't recognize any of them.

I'd say there's a huge LACK of whiners this time around. Even I'm saying "pretty good upgrade" & I'm normally the one screaming "begone satan upgrade! You're not with 1/2 the price!" :) Not literary of course but vegas 5 & 7 I had more negative things to say then with this one.

You are dropping frames with a QX6700? Even on BEST on an external monitor?

I have a Q6600 and can watch in BEST on an external monitor with little or no effects and no drops. The upgrade scares me now. I can live with 10-bit color because I don't produce professional grade material. BUT for convenience purposes I like previewing at the best possible res and moving around fast in the timeline with effects and such. I'll take speed over color for what I use Vegas for.

Take care.

>>>those who complaining about Vegas Pro 8 are relatively new here?<<<

How much time is one required to serve before one can rightfully voice a critical opinion? And then this too: if the feature in question is a new feature, how is the old-timer any wiser than the relatively new one, both having spent the same amount of hours experimenting with it?
Doesn't dividing a forum into the "us" club versus "them" club sound a bit whinny as well? And one more question: How can you tell how much time any given newbie has spent with Vegas before signing up here?

To be fair, we can ALL go over to the Adobe forum and gripe about Premiere. We don't even have to purchase anything. So to say that's happening on these boards is a bit silly, considering it's harder to sign up here.

Like many upgrades, VP8 has it's good points and bad points. Most will be worked out in due time.

What are you guys talking about it being hard to sign up here? All you need is a valid email address.

Never mind. I didn't carry my test registration all the way through before posting that last message. Just up to actually viewing the forums. But yep, when you post it asks for a valid product registration.

That's slightly different from the Sonic Foundry days.

Nah, Jonathan isn't that old... but I hear that his first timeline was on a cave wall...

>>>"Adobe is present." - lol.

Getting dark and dank conspiracy-ational, are we now? <<<

Not saying that's the case here, but things like that are standard business practices, not even considered as conspiracies. There are agencies you can hire to promote your products ( and bash competition ) in forums . And it happens every single day.

>>...we can ALL go over to the Adobe forum and gripe about Premiere. We don't even have to purchase anything...

That's pretty funny.

Without WHINERS no product would ever be improved.

>>>Without WHINERS no product would ever be improved<<<

Which these days is fine. We are at a point where most people need to improve their skills, just to catch up with where most apps were 5 years ago.

It's not the tools any more, it's the user.

It's not the tools any more, it's the user.

That said a mouthful!

With nothing more than pencil and paper one could write War and Peace, compose the greatest music of all time or draw the design for the greatest building the world has ever seen. Or write the screenplay for the greatest movie ever made....

Typsetting that book, playing that music, building that building or shooting that movie is another matter all together. For some reason in this game alone that point gets overlooked.

Bob.