V9 - I've paid ....

Lyris wrote on 4/20/2009, 9:16 PM

Doesn't seem like a huge upgrade to me, but that's really only because Vegas Pro 8 is such a fantastic NLE to start with (all things considered). Adding native RED support is fantastic, though, I certainly look forward to using that alongside my Red Scarlet... when I can afford it...

Former user wrote on 4/20/2009, 9:54 PM

I think this is a really good upgrade. Considering I just got an XDCAM (and splurged on a Glidecam 4000 + X-10 rig), the XDCAM EX updates alone are going to be worth a smoother workflow. The extra FX are nice...but "less is more" is always the rule (mind you, if you don't have it, you can't use it, so they'll be nice to have).

Anyway, even if I have to wait for version 9a to be stable, the freebies and extra $50 off are a decent incentive for a monster NLE (I still weep every time I have to go to 3rd party studios and work with Premiere Pro...ugh..)

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 4/20/2009, 10:48 PM

Himanshu, thx 4 your answer. I know that something like unified exe's in the windows world does not exist (as in the MAC universe). Just wishful thinking...

Actually, I could not care less about the 32 bit version, if only my 32 bit plugins would work with the 64 bit Vegas Pro 9 - and the quirks are ironed out that were crippling the 8.1. Why on earth would I othervwise stick with the 32 bit version on an 64 bit system? Or even install it?

The following questions arise about Vegas Pro 9:

1. Is the 64 bit version of Vegas Pro 9 now based on the same codebase as the 32-bit version - both having exatly the same features/functions? That was not the case with 8.0c and 8.1

2. Does Vegas Pro 9 (64bit) now also accept all the same 32 bit plugins as the 32 bit version? There is no direct technical reason why this would not be possible - if there is will (among SCS people).

Edward Troxel probably knows about this? There might be other people here that also have an educated quess - or even definitive answers. Yes - I am talking about you beta testers - but are you allowed to reveal yourselves ;) ?

Cheers,

Christian

Aje wrote on 4/21/2009, 2:01 AM

Thanks for the link Jerry K
I read the EventDv.net articel and found what I was looking for

"Enhanced Native XDCAM and AVCHD Support"

Enhanced native AVCHD support sounds good - but how good?
Enhanced from what, from a very bad native support I would say.

I wished there stood full native AVCHD support.
But lets hope it is, and if so - I´m the first to buy!
/Aje

mtntvguy wrote on 4/21/2009, 8:02 AM

Sadly, even though I've upgraded every time since Version 4, I think this time I'm going to take a pass.

It has been a good relationship, but over the last couple of years I've seen Vegas get farther and farther behind in the industry's eye. You see postings almost every day (on Craigslist, and such) for NLE editors who have/know FCP, but I can't remember ever seeing a posting looking for someone specifically using Vegas. In fact, there have been many times I've told people I use Vegas and they don't even know what it is. Too bad: I still prefer Vegas over FCP; but Sony has gotten behind the 8-ball in terms of industry recognition, and that unfortunately translates into people thinking anyone who uses it instead of FCP is not professional.

Sigh. Goodbye old friend.

PeterWright wrote on 4/21/2009, 8:38 AM

mtntvguy

So you are saying, you love Vegas but because the industry doesn't use it much, you're off?

Ok, your decision to go, but I find your timing strange.

You are choosing not to upgrade to what looks very much like a significant Version of what has always been the most fluid, flexible and creative video editor. It seems to have addressed many people's problems, and seems to me to be making a huge move towards the higher end of the market. I reckon you'll upgrade.

blink3times wrote on 4/21/2009, 9:05 AM

"Ok, your decision to go, but I find your timing strange. "

It's called fuzzy logic :)

mtntvguy wrote on 4/21/2009, 9:22 AM

You're preaching to the choir... I said Sony Vegas is my favorite NLE.

But it's not fuzzy logic at all: If clients and industry folks specifically ask for FCP, I have to give it to them or miss the opportunity. Like I said: I've never heard once of anyone specifying Vegas be used, but I hear/see it all the time regarding FCP. So I'm just not going to buy the upgrade, this time.

My son-in-law's family owns Foto-Kem in Burbank. Mike (my son-in-law) is a big Sony Vegas fan, but for the same reasons I cited he says Foto-Kem has moved almost entirely to Final Cut and Avid.

I'm not going, entirely. I'm going to keep V8 Pro on my PC because I've got a lot of money invested in Vegas and upgrades of it... and the fact remains it IS my favorite NLE. I've even got it on my iMac, but I'm taking it off because there are glitches neither Sony or Apple will address. So when I want to use Vegas I'll just use it on my PC.

Again: It's sad that Vegas has let FCP get ahead of them in terms of industry recognition. Playing catch-up, if they have any intention to, is going to be tough.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 4/21/2009, 9:42 AM

"It's sad that Vegas has let FCP get ahead of them in terms of industry recognition."

I could be 100% wrong, but I don't think it's ever been Sony's intention for Vegas to be the "industry standard."

Now, having said that, with a few tweaks, I can't imagine why Vegas couldn't move into that position. Then again, I'm not a programer, so I don't have the slightest idea what that would require.

I teach film-making, and the school uses FCP. I have not yet learned it and don't care to. That's what TAs are for! All I know is that I watch students--even those "well versed" in FCP struggle with it. My life is complicated enough with out adding that to the mix.

Still, I understand your decision. I've lost a job or two to FCP. Such is life.

FuTz wrote on 4/21/2009, 10:07 AM

Just adding a way to exchange projects between systems would have solved that.
Gee, we don't even have a clear answer about being able to SAVE a BWF in v.9... and that's just audio, a tiny small part of a system's resources compared to what HD video pumps to be able to work.

I guess I'll stick to v.7 and wait, again, for decent AAF, OMF and BWF save... maybe with Vegas21, who knows ?

jazzmaster wrote on 4/21/2009, 2:39 PM

I think I can wait a year for this stuff and by then it'll be down to $49.95

michaelshive wrote on 4/21/2009, 2:57 PM

XFX - they are showing 9 off at the Sony booth here at NAB and to answer your question about the gradient wipe - it has a lot more parameters than before. The coolest part of it is there is also a "browse" button in the transition properties that allows you to click and choose a photo on your hard drive to use as the source for the wipe.

kitekrazee wrote on 4/21/2009, 3:04 PM

Too bad they didn't throw in The Seminar Series DVD for upgraders. Sony seems to get the whole tutorial thing right.

I have no idea what the NewBlue Sampler Pack is.

Sony Sound Effects Series Sampler I'm sure is something I've got sitting around when I got Acid.

Audio Studio-why bother. I use Vegas for things I may have problems with using Soundforge.

Rosebud wrote on 4/21/2009, 3:18 PM

from craftech : "I upgraded to Vegas Pro 8 a month ago"

John,
As I understand, if you purchase a SCS application 30 days before a new version, you are eligible for a free upgrade.
See here.

Former user wrote on 4/21/2009, 4:28 PM

I contacted SCS and they stated that only purchases after April 11th, 2009 are eligible for free version upgrades. I assume that's because version 9 won't ship until May 11th.

But, since I had purchased 8.x just six weeks ago, they did offer me a 20% discount (~$47) instead of the $50 off everyone gets for pre-ordering.

Oh, and by using the 20% discount code I was provided, at checkout I don't get offered one of the three free applications either. Now where did I put that credit card...

rs170a wrote on 4/21/2009, 5:18 PM

I have no idea what the NewBlue Sampler Pack is.

NewBlue Sampler Pack

Mike

blink3times wrote on 4/21/2009, 5:36 PM

Yeah... I went with New Blue. It was a tough choice actually. I sat there for almost a 1/2 hour blindly staring at the order screen shifting my gaze almost aimlessly between New Blue and the Sony sound effects.

Ended up going Blue in the long run though.... I figure I'll get more mileage out of those then the sound effects. It looks like they'll work in vegas 64 too... I just hope the rest of my blue stuff does!?

FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 4/21/2009, 11:03 PM

I assume SV Pro 9 comes with DVD Architect 5.0b. Or is it 5.0 and we need to download 5.0b.

Anyone?

- Craig

rs170a wrote on 4/22/2009, 2:18 AM

Craig, it looks to me as if it's Vegas Pro 9 only, no DVDA included.
If you already have DVDA 5.0, 5.0b is simply an upgrade.

Mike

TeeJay wrote on 4/22/2009, 3:56 AM

Been a long time since i've visited this forum, as i switched to FCP after struggling with Vegas 8 issues (had been a long time Vegas User since v4...

I have found FCP to be fairly easy to use, it's just a really different mind set but it should be said that Vegas does so many things better, more intuitively than Final Cut. Simple things like dragging a clip over another for automatic crossfades can't be done in FCP! Not being able to nest tracks and not being able to apply master fx is also disappointing, in fact there are so many things that i miss in Vegas but sadly FCP has been rock solid for me and it was only because of issues during a big project that i jumped ship.

I'll observe with interest as V9 unfolds and who knows, maybe i'll be upgrading.....

John_Cline wrote on 4/22/2009, 4:05 AM

Final Cut was written by the same team that wrote Adobe Premiere up to version 5. If you like Premiere, you'll love FCP.

blink3times wrote on 4/22/2009, 4:19 AM

mmmm. I didn't know that. I guess that explains why I hate FCP. Premiere has to be about the clunkiest interface out there. I have tried to like it..... oh I have tried, but sorry....it just STINKS.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 4/22/2009, 4:53 AM

Craig and Mike...

"Use DVD Architect Pro software (included with the Vegas Pro collection) to author DVDs or Blu-ray Disc media..."

John_Cline wrote on 4/22/2009, 5:52 AM

From Wikipedia:

Randy Ubillos created the first three versions of Adobe Premiere before being given a team. Before version 5 was released, Randy's group was hired away by Macromedia to create KeyGrip, built from the ground up as a more professional video-editing program based on Apple QuickTime. Macromedia could not release the product without causing its partner, Truevision, some issues with Microsoft, as KeyGrip was in-part based on technology licensed from Microsoft to Truevision and then in turn to Macromedia. The terms of the IP licensing deal stated that it was not to be used in conjunction with QuickTime. Thus, Macromedia was forced to keep the product off the market until a solution could be found. At the same time, the company decided to focus more on applications that would support the web, so they sought to find a buyer for their non-web applications, including KeyGrip; which, by this time (1998) was renamed as Final Cut.

Final Cut was shown in private room demonstrations as a 0.9 alpha at the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) exposition in 1998 after Macromedia pulled out of the main show floor. At the demonstration, both Mac and Windows versions were shown. The Mac version was working with a Truevision RTX dual stream real time card with limited real time effects. When no purchaser could be found, Apple purchased the team as a defensive move. When Apple could not find a buyer in turn, it continued development work, focusing on adding FireWire/DV support and at NAB 1999 Apple introduced Final Cut Pro.