Vegas 10 - What's new, what's better, what&#0039

Massimo Rossi wrote on 10/11/2010, 3:16 AM
Just downloaded and tried.

At a first glance, it's no bad at all.

1) It has a good overall stability (no serious hangs, apart from some during a cineform rendering)

2) It's fast at least as V9.0. In my opinion the most noticeable improvement in speed is about Canon EOS 5D mark II files. As Eugenia stated, now they play perfectly smooth on the timeline. This was impossible before. Good !!!

3) All the features I've tested work properly

4) Appreciated the new RED support, with color curves, the audio event-level FX, the track audio levels, and many others. Not tested yet the stereoscopy support.

...any other impressions ??


Kevin R wrote on 10/11/2010, 3:36 AM
AUDIO: Major improvements!
- Can't live without the new Audio Event FX.
- Like the new track VU meters.
- LOVE that my mp3 files no longer cause Vegas to crash!

- I like the Preview Window's new "Adjust Size and Quality for Optimal Playback" feature which strives to automatically reduces the quality level to where a good frame rate is possible.
- Have not yet tried the anti-camera-shake "Stabilize Media" feature (though, I have the perfect clip in mind to try it in a moment)

- Love the new track grouping feature!
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 3:52 AM
I like the new way the trimmer displays the in point and out point when stopped and the cursor location when running. It is going to take a little bit to change my thought process, but I do like it.

It take a few seconds to get used to the new VideoFX dialogs, but not too bad.
Massimo Rossi wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:21 AM
I' like the new stabilizer tool, too. Best settings, in my opinion:

Accuracy: BEST (it's always worthwhile to wait a handful of seconds to gain a much better result)

Motion to stabilize: Pan/Tilt, Roll and Zoom
Pan/Tilt stabilization: between 10 and 20 (values greater than 20 tend to zoom in/crop too much, in my opinion)
Roll/Zoom stabilization: between 10 and 20 (values greater than 20 can make the frames too "crooked")

Detect fast camera motion can be useful.
Rolling shutter if your camera has it (eg. Canon 5D)
Kevin R wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:26 AM
I didn't stabilize for Zoom in my demo. Why would zoom be a factor in the typical hand-held scenario? I used the default values with maximum "accuracy". Didn't experiment much yet.
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:42 AM
The new 3D workflow is much better and much faster. Final product looks better too!

Yes it is like Christmas, I haven't been to bed and I have to play with all of it before I can sleep.
A. Grandt wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:47 AM
Sounds to me that VP10 is to VP9 what Windows 7 was to Vista...
Kevin R wrote on 10/11/2010, 4:50 AM
"Sounds to me that VP10 is to VP9 what Windows 7 was to Vista..."

It sucks less. haha! Seriously, I love Win7 and Vegas.
A. Grandt wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:03 AM
Today I love the Tax office. They deposited some $500 into my account.
I just upgraded to 10.
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:06 AM

I just uploaded a 3D clip to YouTube. The quality improvement from VP10 even survived YouTube's encoding and display. It actually looks good. My footage was so out of align that the sliders in Vegas could not move far enough, but I could manually enter numbers to get it where it needed to go. It was soooo much easier.
A. Grandt wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:18 AM
And the link is ? :)
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:25 AM
Sorry, I didn't think anyone would want to see a small test.

Can't embed it here because it will not show in 3D.
PixelStuff wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:42 AM
I like the new icons too. (among the other things).
A. Grandt wrote on 10/11/2010, 5:44 AM
Thanks, looks cool
Sadly for me 3D is like fine scotch whiskey. I love it, but both give me a blinding headache if I get too much.
srode wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:05 AM
So has anyone tried to render or preview AVCHD 1080 with cross fades and effects? Is it smooth in full preview and does it get close to real time rendering? (haven't installed the trial yet, I hate to do those based on previous experience problems...)
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:23 AM
I just did a render test with the Sony AVC CODEC with GPU assist. For my machine, the GPU assist took twice as long as CPU only. Thankfully you can choose at render time. Granted, your mileage will vary, but I have a middle of the road CUDA card and a screaming CPU, so I am glad they did not restrict us to GPU only :)
malowz wrote on 10/11/2010, 7:30 AM
mmmm anyone having a "skippy" preview window?

im using exactly the same options ins v9, and in v10 my preview goes to 23fps with DV NTSC...

preview at best-full, no simulate aspect, no scale, no automatic size and quality, no filters, no video scopes active, project matching file, and etc...

by the way, i love the new keyframe style on video effects ;) the old one was kinda "creepy" ;P
Rob Franks wrote on 10/11/2010, 8:27 AM
"So has anyone tried to render or preview AVCHD 1080 with cross fades and effects?"

Seems to be quite a bit snappier. I can preview at full frame rate with cross fades and color grades... even the cartooner barely flinches the frame rate. I would say that this in itself is worth the upgrade price.

Haven't tried rendering yet but I'll let you know.
Rob Franks wrote on 10/11/2010, 8:47 AM
I must say... I'm a bit disappointed in final output rendering. Not that there is anything different or bad about it.

But by the way they were talking about the hardware acceleration an avchd rendering... I thought it would be faster. It's not really any faster than 9 is. I also see no mention of a vid card or new options/settings in the preferences section. (I have a Nvidia GTX285)

I'm a little confused on this hardware issue and what it's all supposed to mean. Maybe they meant real time rendering on the time line??? (There is a CLEAR and positive difference here)
kkolbo wrote on 10/11/2010, 8:54 AM

Sony wasn't saying that it was the magic answer, it was users in the forums who kept saying they had to have it. Many of the experts in here have said over and over that unless you have a killer vid card, you can go farther with high CPU horsepower. There are high end cards that can offer some great speed results, but most Vegas users are not using those.

My vid card has 216 cores and almost a gig or ram on board. It takes twice as long as my hexcore 4.27 GHz CPU to do a render. Now, if I had a Pentium 4, the vid card would probably be faster.

The Sony AVC CODEC was nicely optimized for quick renders. Folks just didn't appreciate how good it was.
Hulk wrote on 10/11/2010, 9:13 AM
Ah...still no AVCHD Smartrendering...

- Mark
i c e wrote on 10/11/2010, 9:22 AM
just wondered if anyone know if it works with AVCHD much faster than 9.0. I have 9 and it does okay, it doesn't crash like 8 did but it is very slow and terribly choppy on playback.
I don't care about rendering times. those are what they are. I am concerned about the play back and general workability.

is 10 better or should I just stik with my 9? (I have the free upgrade thing).


Rob Franks wrote on 10/11/2010, 9:23 AM
Sony wasn't saying that it was the magic answer,

Yes, I know. In fact I was one of the ones trying to say that it wasn't really any magic answer. But still... there is almost no final render speed increase at all.

Now please don't get me wrong. I couldn't really cares less about an increased render speed... it's pretty low on my list of priorities. I think increased response on the time line greatly out weighs anything else and I'm quite happy with Sony's answer in this area

But for those who are looking for whopping and blazing speed increases in final render times.... it's not there.
Rob Franks wrote on 10/11/2010, 9:24 AM
just wondered if anyone know if it works with AVCHD much faster than 9.0. I have 9 and it does okay, it doesn't crash like 8 did but it is very slow and terribly choppy on playback.

Asked and answered already
malowz wrote on 10/11/2010, 9:54 AM
ahhh... i found the problem of my choppy preview.

after a few render tests using GPU, i closed vegas. but it didn't close really. was still running on task manager.

this caused other instances of vegas to perform horribly slow ;)

so far so good.

my tests with AVCHD, it looks a bit better. "random click" tru files is faster. v9 was slow every time a click in a random place and play, and after a second, it speed up tu full rate. v10 i click anywhere and it keeps playing at full rate.

OBS: no keyframe in audio event fx? ;P