Vegas 15 Pro problem with 4K screen!

aboammar wrote on 9/15/2017, 10:19 AM

Hi,

My HP AIO Z1 Workstation has a 4K display, but it seems that Vegas Pro 15 dose not scale correctly to 4K as the interface dose not appear as a normal 4K sharp. Everything in the interface (Texts, icons, etc) looks too soft, like if it was FullHD shown on 4K screen.

Any idea what is going on and how to solve this problem?

Please download the GUI screenshots of Vegas Pro 15 and BMD Resolve 14 and notice the huge difference in sharpens and details between them.

Vegas Pro 15 GUI:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/u3d67dk3viwj6uf/Vegas%2015%204K.png?dl=0

 

BMD Resolve GUI:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8ae2hl8zynpak7/Resolve%204K%20UI.png?dl=0

HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

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Comments

john_dennis wrote on 9/15/2017, 10:43 AM

I downloaded your two screenshots, Opened them in Photoshop and changed the display to "Actual Pixels". There is a significant difference. I don't have a solution.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/15/2017, 10:46 AM

Have you tried a right click on the vegas.exe file -> Properties -> check "Override high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application"?

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VEGASDerek wrote on 9/15/2017, 11:01 AM

Currently Vegas is using the default Windows 10 scaling feature in which windows will scale the application so that it is displayed well in based on your display settings. This was also the case in Vegas 14. We used this setting as a way of resolving the sizing issues that many people were seeing with Vegas 13, but the scaling will result in a somewhat "fuzzy" (as aboammar stated, it very much like Full HD scaled to 4k, because that is what Windows is actually doing to it). This is how many older applications handle high dpi situations now.

As we continue to revamp the interface, over time we will be adding more high DPI support into the application. Currently, you can turn off the automatic scaling as OldSmoke suggested. This will likely result in some display issues (placement and sizing of things), and the button icons will still be "fuzzy" as we do not have a mechanism in place currently for using higher resolution graphics for these. But...doing this will result in sharper text and a sharper preview image. Watch for high-dpi improvements in future updates.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/15/2017, 11:27 AM

Currently Vegas is using the default Windows 10 scaling feature in which windows will scale the application so that it is displayed well in based on your display settings. This was also the case in Vegas 14. We used this setting as a way of resolving the sizing issues that many people were seeing with Vegas 13, but the scaling will result in a somewhat "fuzzy" (as aboammar stated, it very much like Full HD scaled to 4k, because that is what Windows is actually doing to it). This is how many older applications handle high dpi situations now.

As we continue to revamp the interface, over time we will be adding more high DPI support into the application. Currently, you can turn off the automatic scaling as OldSmoke suggested. This will likely result in some display issues (placement and sizing of things), and the button icons will still be "fuzzy" as we do not have a mechanism in place currently for using higher resolution graphics for these. But...doing this will result in sharper text and a sharper preview image. Watch for high-dpi improvements in future updates.


On my 2560x1440 27" monitor scaled to 125%, the icons and text are crisp. But yes, some text is misplaced but nothing that would stop me from using it.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

VEGASDerek wrote on 9/15/2017, 12:23 PM

At 125%, things shouldn't be too bad. I've noticed quite a few issues at 150% and beyond.

bitman wrote on 9/15/2017, 1:08 PM

 

At 125%, things shouldn't be too bad. I've noticed quite a few issues at 150% and beyond.

Indeed, I scale my ultra wide (which is not 4K, but close due to the aspect ratio) at 125%

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Kinvermark wrote on 9/15/2017, 1:27 PM

I think someone mentioned experimenting and finding a boundary condition at 149%. So 149 = not fuzzy, 150 = fuzzy. Try it? ( I don't have a 4k monitor, but would like to get one.)

aboammar wrote on 9/17/2017, 6:52 PM

Have you tried a right click on the vegas.exe file -> Properties -> check "Override high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application"?

Yes I tried that and it messed up the interface, though texts do appear very sharp, 4K sharp.

HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

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aboammar wrote on 9/17/2017, 7:22 PM

Currently Vegas is using the default Windows 10 scaling feature in which windows will scale the application so that it is displayed well in based on your display settings. This was also the case in Vegas 14. We used this setting as a way of resolving the sizing issues that many people were seeing with Vegas 13, but the scaling will result in a somewhat "fuzzy" (as aboammar stated, it very much like Full HD scaled to 4k, because that is what Windows is actually doing to it). This is how many older applications handle high dpi situations now.

As we continue to revamp the interface, over time we will be adding more high DPI support into the application. Currently, you can turn off the automatic scaling as OldSmoke suggested. This will likely result in some display issues (placement and sizing of things), and the button icons will still be "fuzzy" as we do not have a mechanism in place currently for using higher resolution graphics for these. But...doing this will result in sharper text and a sharper preview image. Watch for high-dpi improvements in future updates.

 

Thanks for your detailed reply.

So, I understand from you that Vegas Pro 15 "still" dose not fully support or take full advantage of 4K resolution.

I tried all Windows 10 scaling options, and this is what I got:

1- Default System Scaling: Texts, icons, and graphics elements appears fuzzy. (Screenshot 1 and 2)

2- Override High DPI (Application): Some elements in the GUI is messed up. Texts are true 4K sharp, but icons, and some graphics elements appears fuzzy or messed up. (Screenshot 3 and 4)

3- Override High DPI (System Enhanced): Overall GUI is too messed up .. not usable. (Screenshot 5)

 

In my opinion, the default system scaling is the most usable even though texts, icons, and graphics elements appears fuzzy, but at least the scaling is correct.

So I guess I will have to live with that until Vegas Pro 16 fully support high DPI, just like BMD Resolve do.

 

 

 

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HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz ECC memory

System Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Working Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Storage Drive: 3GB SSD (500MB/s)

Video: Vegas Pro 16 Suite / DaVinci Resolve 16 Studio

Audio: PreSonus Studio One Pro 5

Graphics: CorelDraw Technical Suite 2020 / Xara Designer Pro X365

Image Editing: Corel PhotoPaint 2020 / Corel PaintShop Pro X9 Ultimate / PHASEONE Capture One Pro 11

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aboammar wrote on 9/17/2017, 8:05 PM

I think someone mentioned experimenting and finding a boundary condition at 149%. So 149 = not fuzzy, 150 = fuzzy. Try it? ( I don't have a 4k monitor, but would like to get one.)

The default Windows 10 Scaling for my 4K (Res.: 3840 x 2160 pixel) screen is 200%. 149% is not usable as it will make icons, texts, and almost every interface element too small and very hard see on a 24" display.

Even the default 200% scaling is not good enough for my eyes, so I am using 225%.

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HP Z1 AIO Workstation G3

OS: Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Display: 23.6" UHD 4K

CPU: Xeon E3-1270 v5  quad-core @ 3.60GHz, 8MB cache, up to 4GHz with Intel Turbo Boost Technology

GPU: nVidia Quadro M2000M 4GB

RAM: 32GB DDR4 2133MHz ECC memory

System Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Working Drive: 1TB M.2 (2500MB/s)

Storage Drive: 3GB SSD (500MB/s)

Video: Vegas Pro 16 Suite / DaVinci Resolve 16 Studio

Audio: PreSonus Studio One Pro 5

Graphics: CorelDraw Technical Suite 2020 / Xara Designer Pro X365

Image Editing: Corel PhotoPaint 2020 / Corel PaintShop Pro X9 Ultimate / PHASEONE Capture One Pro 11

3D Graphics: Maxon Cinema 4D Studio 10

Camera: Sony A7S II / A7 III

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