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Sorry CDM... I think it's pretty clear why you were chosen to beta test!!

I would have given Sony hell for not addressing the glaringly obvious routing issues as well as the messy key mappings and so many missed opportunities for plug-in management and workflow.

To me this release is totally "Vegas5.5" and I would have told them so on a daily basis! On the audio side it's a metronome bug fix and the inclusion of a feature already seen in other Sony products. So yes what *have* they been doing for a year to warrant us spending more money?

There was video stuff added at 5.0d so one would hope 6.0d might be something for those of us who are, once again, feeling disillusioned as we install yet another new version where we have to hide the video preview and switch off "quantize to frames" just to make any sense of an app we use for audio.

It's a clear reminder that it's a Video App and after the SF8 disaster my fear is nobody at Sony will have time to think about audio functionality in Vegas for a while.

I'm with Vegas 5 and Sound Forge 6 for now... until there's a real incentive to invest in new Sony products.

Hello Samplitude!

It really is a shame.

I will gladly give Sony my money for an upgrade. I've been eagerly awaiting this release.

I absolutely love Vegas!

But I think I'll sit out on this release. There is just nothing for me!

I think I am not alone.

Randy

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>> I will gladly give Sony my money for an upgrade. I've been eagerly awaiting this release.

I absolutely love Vegas! <<

Completely! This is the problem, we all love Vegas. We'd hate to abandon it. It's crazy that Sony don't see this and do something for us... also getting themselves a bunch of new audio-users in the bargain.

"It's crazy that Sony don't see this and do something for us..."

And the sad thing is, they really wouldn't have had to do much for me to upgrade. VST, fixed routing, fixed metronome, sends from busses to FX - I probably would have bit with just that alone, but...

"And the sad thing is, they really wouldn't have had to do much for me to upgrade. VST, fixed routing, fixed metronome, sends from busses to FX - I probably would have bit with just that alone, but..."

Yes indeed. I am completely with you here. ;-(

drbam

heh. I keep saying that, but its still not there either

Perhaps, but at least you know that their priority is to get it there!

Also, third party support will be much greater. Vegas already has a hard time with that, and this version will probably make it even worse.

At least with ________(fill in the blank with your DAW of choice) you know you will get your RME working well with ASIO DM, and there will be custom drivers from control surface manufacturers, and UADs will work great, etc., etc.

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SONY has just written off the audio side of this program. It's incomplete. This is the busiest this place has been and all I can say is it feels like "deja vu" all over again and it's all negative. As far as Vegas goes we've moved from Soon Only Not Yet to go buy something else.

-jb

The one thing I just don’t get at all was the ‘I think you will all be pleased with the next release of Vegas’ line.

What the hell drugs was PCH on when he came up with that?

I don’t blame him for us getting screwed. I’m sure that all came from further up the line.

Was it supposed to be funny, or ultra sarcastic, or was it just Sony staff living in bizarro world.

I’m serious. I can’t figure out what possible motivation he would have for saying that.

...They have treated audio users with contempt...

It's another $25 upgrade for $149. At least for audio users.
It really is absurd, the utter contempt with which they treat those trying to use their software professionally in the audio field. Especially when they claim to be throwing their hands up in disgust, not knowing what everyone wants.
Everyone has been telling them for years. Since back when it was "Vegas Audio."
Tape scrub? I agree that tape scrub in the digital world -- where you can *see* what's going on, as well as hear it at any speed -- is like a bicycle for a fish. (As was buggy, latency-crippled input monitoring, the huge "gift" to the audio users of the last release... at least as far as I was concerned, though I'm glad it was useful for some.) Might as well sell a head demagnetizer accessory and an editing block, complete with razor blades and tape.
And VST support? As has been pointed out, anyone who wants to use VST plugins already has a VST wrapper.
Vegas still doesn't speak to Acid. It still doesn't speak with any other applications. The bussing system is still broken.
Even just the ability to be an audio-only rewire host with no midi would have gotten me. Now I'll probably have to sit out two in a row. I never would have believed it.
The epitome of stubborn, wrongheadedness.
Well, I suppose there are only so many serious audio users and everyone in America has a video camera.

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"I suppose there are only so many serious audio users and everyone in America has a video camera"

There you have it spot on! That is what it's all about.

I predicted this one year ago, and was constantly battered by several users here as 'a doom and gloom poster'. I was told to stop.

Well, here it is.

Good morning, you finally woke up.

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Pipe - answers inline:

CDM, what kind of setup are you running? You know me, vegas likes to crash on me. Ive been running it for a few months as well and here's what I get:

1. Until recently, VASTLY improved track count and plugin count compared to V5

Hard for me to say since I just upgraded my motherboard, cpu and ram, so obviously Vegas is behaving swimmingly.

2. A giant jump in CPU usage when soloing a track

Never had this problem, but then I've never checked!

3. Very excellent VST performance

Agreed

3. Crashes when unmuting or soloing UAD plugs

Don't have UAD

4. Inability to render files about 50% of the time

I found a repro for projects not rendering, but it was affecting me with video. I don't know if it's the same problem you're having but they fixed it in build 99. It had to do with the new multi-threaded rendering

5. Sticky and weird mackie control behaviour, but no worse than V5

don't use it

6. When dropping nested files onto a timeline, the next time I open the project all my buss names, levels, and fx are gone

I pointed this out with nested projects and it's fixed.


I'm running an Asus P4C800e Deluxe with a 3.2 GHz proc and 2 gig of 466 MHz paired ram by Corsair.

Rednroll - Just so you know, the VST thing does not entirely cure the CPU munching. I certainly would not call it fixed in any way. In a project just yesterday in ACID using VST versions of UAD plugins, I was getting 35% of my native CPU munched. Yeah it's true it didn't drag the machine to a halt like the DX versions might have, but if I wanted to use any more native CPU I'd be screwed.

And as for this:
I have to disagree on this one: "The difference between buginess and performance from Vegas 6 native VST and V whatever else with the available wrappers is staggering. Then again, this was a feature that should have been in there since Vegas 2."

While I agree that native VST is better and should definately have been included a long time ago. I don't see the big time buggyness and instability with DirectiXer. I've done CPU tests and I really don't see any overhead. But of course ever user's situation is different.

On thing that having native VST effects is especially good for is tempo sync. Do they even do this in Vegas since it doesn't have a tempo (just a grid)? Somehow I suspect one of the big advantages of VST effects is lost in V6.

Rednroll, I am crossing my fingers that ALL the video users will buy UAD-1 cards. Surely then through the law of infinite possibilities, quite a few of them will have the same problems I have been having since V5 and they will get fixed once and for all.

Its always the same pattern, I get all sorts of bugs, then everyone says Im nuts, then months later other people get them. Well this time, I think it will be taken care of once the video users go into revolt.

thank you CDM. What audio cards are you running?

While we're at it, let's all pray the Video users start to require more updated professional audio features too!